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Hunters lament lack of deer, but farmers beg to differ
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Sunday, January 16, 2005 | Don Hopey

Posted on 01/16/2005 9:39:16 AM PST by Willie Green

There are 1.6 million deer in Pennsylvania, so many that they are eating themselves out of forests, farms and parts of their home range.

The voracious herd has prevented tree regrowth in vast tracts of the commonwealth's commercially valuable hardwood forests, eats millions of dollars of farm crops and collides with thousands of cars and trucks, causing damage and death.

Yet there aren't enough deer for some hunters, who aren't seeing as many through their rifle scopes as they did a couple of years ago.

Those hunters now want the state to go back to rules that would put greater limits on how many deer can be killed, and they already are gaining some political support for their position.

A recent study refutes the hunters' claims, though.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: bambi; environment; farm; hunting; venison
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1 posted on 01/16/2005 9:39:17 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Sounds to me like the farmers aren't letting the hunters hunt on their land.
2 posted on 01/16/2005 9:43:07 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Willie Green
I Blog BooksA drive-time traffic commenter in the Bay Area ("Ossifer Vic", KSFO) refers to deer as "antlered rats" when he has to report (two to three times a week) that a car has struck one on the highway.

...perhaps Pennsylvania hunters are using the wrong weapons...
3 posted on 01/16/2005 9:43:51 AM PST by dr_pat (it's only sarcasm if you don't read too carefully...)
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To: Willie Green
Here in northern Massachusetts, a lot of former city dwellers are moving up here to get away from the craziness of the city. As a result, "No Hunting" signs are showing up everywhere as apparently none of these yuppies want low-brow yahoos in plaid jackets and orange vests stalking through their woods and shooting Bambi.

As a result, I am seeing deer everywhere. I sometimes even see one crossing my street when I go to work in the morning. They came into my yard last summer and ate up most of my vegetable garden. I think I'm going to have to acquire a taste for venison and shoot me one or two next season.

4 posted on 01/16/2005 9:46:50 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

Missouri is overrun with deer. South of the corn belt, the deer are smaller but just as numerous.


5 posted on 01/16/2005 9:49:24 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Any team that would fire # 68, Mike Morris, has no chance at going to the Super Bowl.)
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To: SamAdams76
I Blog BooksMy loving spouse refers to any new plants we set in the garden as "deer salad" for that very reason. We don't count on anything thriving outside a fence (even salvia, supposedly deer-proof) until it's grown tall enough to be out of reach.
6 posted on 01/16/2005 9:51:28 AM PST by dr_pat (it's only sarcasm if you don't read too carefully...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That's what it sounds like. The deer figure out they won't be shot if they get to the farmland areas plus the food is better --- all that corn. But the farmers don't like hunters shooting their cows, horses, dogs, kids by mistake.


7 posted on 01/16/2005 9:52:27 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Willie Green

One problem for the deer - - which are too numerous - - are the black bears. Here in Pike County, PA on the same 90 acres three bears were taken during this past hunting season, but only one deer. A couple of miles away, 11 black bears were removed from a fish hatchery.

The PGC's studies have shown that as of a couple of years ago, black bears were killing as many fawns as coyotes.

When you have creatures that need 20,000 calories a day in the fall to bulk up before hibernation, meat is probably less of a hassle than getting 70 lbs of blueberries for the same calorie count.


8 posted on 01/16/2005 9:59:03 AM PST by finnsheep
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To: farmfriend


9 posted on 01/16/2005 10:00:09 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Willie Green; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
10 posted on 01/16/2005 10:00:58 AM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulation. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!


11 posted on 01/16/2005 10:02:11 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: FITZ
But the farmers don't like hunters shooting their cows, horses, dogs, kids by mistake.

I've never shot any of those, but I do have a good record for feral cats up in the NW corner of CT while upland bird hunting....oh yeah, sorry and a few wild dogs who were running deer....

FMCDH(BITS)

12 posted on 01/16/2005 10:02:29 AM PST by nothingnew (Kerry is gone...perhaps to Lake Woebegone)
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To: Willie Green

As a motorcyclist, I can verify that there has been an explosion of various antelope including deer and moose. It is now unsafe to ride a motorcycle at night in many locations.

Most of PA is nasty. A good indicator is the number of bloody splotches in the road on the interstates. Route 81 coming south out of Binghamton, NY and going south to Scranton is just about the worst stretch of highway anywhere for deer hits. Vermont and Maine are overflowing with moose and deer.

Route 88 and 86 from Albany, NY to Erie, PA are a good place to avoid from dusk until an hour after sunrise as well.

Now, let's talk about mule deer in Wyoming and Montana...


13 posted on 01/16/2005 10:03:54 AM PST by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Willie Green
Can we either let them hunt here in New Jersey (shotguns only, though, because of the population density) or dive some of our deer West into PA?
14 posted on 01/16/2005 10:04:18 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Willie Green; sure_fine

Here in York County, southcentral PA, deer are numerous, so are homes and it's becoming too dangerous to hunt with high-powered rifles anymore. Soon, it'll shotguns and slugs. Up north, deer are more scarce because there aren't as many homes and people, so the deer population is kept well under control.


15 posted on 01/16/2005 10:05:34 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: SamAdams76
...none of these yuppies want low-brow yahoos...

Ah, yes. As a low-brow yahoo, I hate it when these yuppies move out here and start changing things.

16 posted on 01/16/2005 10:06:48 AM PST by Jagdgewehr
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To: Jagdgewehr

Some of the hunter's lack of sucess is self-inflicted too (at times). Down here in NC, you can drive into certain areas and see a sea of orange clothing about 200-400 yards from the road. I typically trek back 2+ miles in to set up, and have above average hunting sucess. Many of these hunter wannabes simply need to get off their a$$es and get in the woods. The automobile is a wonderful thing, but it has turned many into lazy slobs.


18 posted on 01/16/2005 10:17:31 AM PST by NC Native ("Bombing begins in five minutes"... Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: nothingnew

Yes --- but it's just that not all who call themselves hunters are really hunters --- there are some who are having more fun pretending they're hunters --- drinking tons of beer and shooting everything in sight. They give the real hunters a bad name. The best tasting deer are those corn-fed ones that raid the farmers corn fields and gardens. Very tender meat.


19 posted on 01/16/2005 10:17:35 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Floyd R Turbo

Creepy. You were posting at the same moment/roughly the same exact thought.


20 posted on 01/16/2005 10:18:48 AM PST by NC Native ("Bombing begins in five minutes"... Ronald W. Reagan)
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