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Harvard President Criticized Over Comments About Women's Performance in Science, Mathematics
AP ^ | 1-17-05

Posted on 01/17/2005 11:32:24 AM PST by Indy Pendance

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) - The president of Harvard University prompted criticism for suggesting that innate differences between the sexes could help explain why fewer women succeed in science and math careers.

Lawrence H. Summers, speaking Friday at an economic conference, also questioned how great a role discrimination plays in keeping female scientists and engineers from advancing at elite universities.

The remarks prompted Massachusetts Institute of Technology biologist Nancy Hopkins - a Harvard graduate - to walk out on Summers' talk, The Boston Globe reported.

"It is so upsetting that all these brilliant young women (at Harvard) are being led by a man who views them this way," Hopkins said later.

Five other participants in the National Bureau of Economic Research conference, including Denice D. Denton, chancellor designate of the University of California, Santa Cruz, also said they were offended by the comments. Four other attendees contacted afterward by the Globe said they were not.

Summers told the Globe he was discussing hypotheses based on the scholarly work assembled for the conference, not expressing his own views. He also said more research needs to be done on the issues.

Conference organizers said Summers was asked to be provocative, and that he was invited as a top economist, not as a Harvard official.

The two-day, invitation-only conference of the Cambridge-based National Bureau of Economic Research drew about 50 economists from around the country to discuss women and minorities in science and engineering.

Summers declined to provide a tape or transcript of his remarks, but he did describe comments to the Globe similar to what participants recalled.

"It's possible I made some reference to innate differences," he said. He said people "would prefer to believe" that the differences in performance between the sexes are due to social factors, "but these are things that need to be studied."

He also cited as an example one of his daughters, who as a child was given two trucks in an effort at gender-neutral upbringing. Yet he said she named them "daddy truck" and "baby truck," as if they were dolls.

It was during such comments that Hopkins got up and left.

"Here was this economist lecturing pompously (to) this room full of the country's most accomplished scholars on women's issues in science and engineering, and he kept saying things we had refuted in the first half of the day," said Denton, the outgoing dean of the College of Engineering at the University of Washington.

Summers already faced criticism because the number of senior job offers to women has dropped each year of his three-year presidency. He has promised to work on the problem.


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1 posted on 01/17/2005 11:32:25 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
I'd say Nancy Hopkins has a problem. I've seen it before. Maureen Dowd, ranting feminists and my ex-wife, among so many others. It's not pretty.
2 posted on 01/17/2005 11:36:13 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Indy Pendance

I like this guy more and more.


3 posted on 01/17/2005 11:38:32 AM PST by ScottFromSpokane
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To: Indy Pendance

This guy sure turned out to be great. I was skeptical of him - being a Clinton crony and all - but he really tells it like it is. His best move wes when he let (I forget his name) the radical black professor leave Harvard by demanding that he actually produce research rather than just political tracts.


4 posted on 01/17/2005 11:47:20 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Indy Pendance
It is a proven fact that women and men's brains are wired differently. Men are more mathematically oriented.

Some people just have a problem with the truth.
5 posted on 01/17/2005 11:51:10 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: Indy Pendance
"he kept saying things we had refuted in the first half of the day," said Denton
6 posted on 01/17/2005 11:51:48 AM PST by Capagrl (Integrity is shown in what you do, not what you say.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Summers told the Globe he was discussing hypotheses based on the scholarly work assembled for the conference, not expressing his own views.

Poor Larry...he doesn't understand that it is TABOO to discuss hypotheses, evidence, and uncomfortable facts that skewer the false gods of liberalism.

7 posted on 01/17/2005 11:54:45 AM PST by ReadyNow (A teacher of math)
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To: Rodney King

Didn't that professor want to take time off to do a rap album?


8 posted on 01/17/2005 11:56:13 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Indy Pendance
He also said more research needs to be done on the issues.

Right. The existing volumes of it entirely consistent with his words aren't enough.

9 posted on 01/17/2005 11:56:53 AM PST by freespirited
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To: Indy Pendance

More here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1322344/posts


10 posted on 01/17/2005 11:57:03 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

You're right. When I was in engineering school, there were only 3 women obtaining a BSIE (I am a woman). There were more women in civil, mechanical and enviornmemtal, but the majority were men. I'd guesstimate about 15-20% were women.


11 posted on 01/17/2005 12:00:01 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Rodney King
His best move was when he let (I forget his name) the radical black professor leave Harvard by demanding that he actually produce research...

Cornell West, a thoroughly despicable character, as you'd know if you'd ever seen him on TV.

12 posted on 01/17/2005 12:01:49 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Indy Pendance
"It is so upsetting that all these brilliant young women (at Harvard) are being led by a man who views them this way," Hopkins said later.

I wonder if Hopkins has an explanation for the relatively poor performance of women at the game of chess when compared with men. Sure there are exceptions. Judit Polgar (who refuses to play in tournements restricted to women, I believe) is ranked 9th in the world. The second best woman is no where close to being among the top 100 players. (Note that linked ratings are from October 2004. Polgar has apparently been dropped from the current list due to inactivity.)

ML/NJ

13 posted on 01/17/2005 12:10:57 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Indy Pendance
This is the problem with political correctness. You can't state plane truth that everybody knows to be true. Guess what. Little girls generally talk before little boys. Everybody knows this. Doesn't mean some bright and verbal little boys don't talk early, but on average girls talk first. Well guess what. Boys are better, on average, at math. Huh...See I said it. Because it is true. I'm sure the lady who left in a huff is very bright. I'm sure she is extremely mathematically gifted. But that doesn't change the averages. And the numbers get even more disparate, the higher up in the intellectual stratosphere you go. Guys are better at math on average and there are legions more male mathematical geniuses. Don't have the numbers off the top of my head, but look at male 700 SAT math vs. female.

If you have an observation such as there are many more males at the elite math schools, then objective science would lead you to have at least two possible explanations. One, and the more natural assumption at that, is that it is biological. The other is that it is social. The egalitarians can't accept the first explanation so they reject it out of hand. It does not fit with their world view. It most be the second and we must all be brow beaten to change it. Anyone who has two or more children of the opposite sex, figure out very quickly that males are different than females. Everyone know this. Only ideologues like Ms.(Dr?)Hopkins refuse to accept it. And I suspect, down deep she knows it too. That why she gets so defensive.
14 posted on 01/17/2005 12:13:31 PM PST by Red Phillips
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To: Indy Pendance
Truth.. not just the first casualty of war... also the first casualty of academia..

imo

15 posted on 01/17/2005 12:19:48 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Indy Pendance

Summers and all of Harvard must know that one can never be wrong in a blue state if you always blame evil white men for EVERYTHING!!!


16 posted on 01/17/2005 12:53:12 PM PST by Tacis (Democrats! - When You Need America Blamed Or A Pool Peed In!!)
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To: Indy Pendance

A critique of Nancy Hopkins' earlier complaints against MIT:

http://www.uaf.edu/northern/mitstudy/


17 posted on 01/17/2005 1:03:15 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (A Freep a day keeps the liberals away.)
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To: Indy Pendance

When it comes to issues of women and homosexuality, there is no freedom of speech for divergent opinions on American campuses. Mr. Summers should know better.


18 posted on 01/17/2005 1:12:55 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Rodney King
I agree with Rodney. I had little use for Larry Summers when he was Bubba's Treasury Secretary, but he's making a mark at Harvard. He not only "dissed" the Black Sudies program but even suggested that ROTC at Harvard might be beneficial. Now this.
19 posted on 01/17/2005 1:17:02 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Malesherbes
Well, I meant Studies not "Black Sudies," but maybe I was right the first time.
20 posted on 01/17/2005 1:19:36 PM PST by Malesherbes
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