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1 posted on 01/17/2005 5:37:16 PM PST by Brian Mosely
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To me, the hate crime theory seems more plausible. If they were trying to get at the translator (which seems ridiculous to begin with), then they would not kill the cousins.


2 posted on 01/17/2005 5:39:23 PM PST by Brilliant
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Boy, I hope my family doesn't get murdered over the activities of my cousins, especially since I don't even know where they live or what they do.


3 posted on 01/17/2005 5:40:01 PM PST by Dog Gone
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Telletubbies killed them, not followers of "Islam the religion of peace TM"


4 posted on 01/17/2005 5:40:42 PM PST by Jmouse007 ("Negotiate and die!" Brought to you by "Islam the Religion of Peace tm")
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As an ex-spook friend of mine says, if you have to wonder if it's a coincedence, it probably isn't.


5 posted on 01/17/2005 5:42:22 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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For certain: WE, won't be informed of the true story. It will be a Cover-up. Not, to protect the perp, but to keep us from "feeling animosity" toward the butchering muslims.....


15 posted on 01/17/2005 5:52:52 PM PST by onyx eyes (.... Fly over country.... fly over but dont even think you can make us turn blue....)
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ABC News has learned that the slain family's cousin has been a translator working for the prosecution in the trial of Lynne Stewart.

CBS news of course has verified that even if this is not true the story's facts are believable. /sarcasm

19 posted on 01/17/2005 5:54:16 PM PST by rocksblues (Sgt. Rafael Peralta, American Hero, Everyone should know his name.)
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The cousin apparently wasn't close to the murdered family.

The link between the dead father's outbursts against Muslims on Paltalk ICQ seeming more probable.
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Islamic Violence Against Copts Reaches Into Jersey City
14:56 Jan 17, '05 / 7 Shevat 5765


(IsraelNN.com) An Egyptian Coptic (Christian) man, his wife and their two daughters were found brutally stabbed to death last week in Jersey City, New Jersey. The apparent motive for the killings, according to sources close to the case and others close to the family, was Islamic fanaticism.

The murdered man, Hossam Armanious, was known for his outspoken Christian faith, which he promoted in Internet "chat rooms" among Muslim web surfers. According to a fellow Jersey City Copt, a Muslim in the chat room had threatened to kill Armanious "like a chicken."

Mohsen Lutfi, one of the founding members of an Egyptian movement calling for a return to the land's Coptic roots, said in 2003, "We are Egyptians and not Arabs.... The Arabs are our friends and neighbors and we have common destiny, but we are not Arabs."

Copts are allegedly descended from the ancient Egyptian peoples who populated the region before the Arab Islamic imperial wars of conquest in North Africa in the early 600s CE.


29 posted on 01/17/2005 6:03:26 PM PST by Selkie
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bttt


31 posted on 01/17/2005 6:06:50 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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This is a (bit) insensitive, but it's on point..

"A Coptic to a Muslim is like a Hasidim that loves pork chops." Any "jihadist" or even a "wannabe" would take exceptional pride and pleasure in doing this heinous and unthinkable crime.

I hope when they are found, there is a MOAB with the name of their ancestral village on it.

33 posted on 01/17/2005 6:07:55 PM PST by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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Mourners march down a street Jersey City, N.J., on Monday, carrying the coffins of the slain family members, whose bodies were found Friday.

Muslim-Christian tensions boil over in N.J.

Slain family's funeral turns into melee

Slaying of 4 may be tied to (Islamic) religious extremism (NJ Christian family had throats slit)

Four Family Members Slain With Throats Slashed

'I don't want you to join me, I want you to join bin Laden'(Paltalk connection to NJ murders?)

Jetliner missile plot trial begins

'ISLAMIC HATE' EYED IN SLAYS(threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online)

Eye robbery in slays - N.J. family's home was looted - DA

Violence flares briefly at anti-terrorism event [Pro-Terror Crowd Attacks Jews]

45 posted on 01/17/2005 6:44:24 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Who Is Behind Lynne Stewart?
By Michael Tremoglie
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 25, 2002

Lynne Stewart is the radical attorney who has been indicted by Attorney General John Ashcroft for enabling her client, the terrorist Sheik, Omar Abdul Rahman, to carry out his murderous agendas while in prison by helping him to communicate with his terrorist organization in Egypt. Rahman was the spiritual leader of a cell that carried out the first World Trade Center bombing and was planning to blow up the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels. Stewart was recruited to the Rahman case by Lyndon Johnson's Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, who has a long history of anti-American causes dating back to the Vietnam War.

Ramsey Clark is the founder of the International Action Committee (IAC), a pro-Saddam, pro-Milosevic organization that regards America as the world's leading and most threatening terrorist state. In a previous article about the "peace" organization A.N.S.W.E.R (March 29, 2002), I noted IAC's interlinking directorate with the Workers World Party (WWP), a Stalinist organization which was created in 1959 as a splinter of the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party. In that year, WWP leader Sam Marcy and his comrades supported the Soviet suppression of the Hungarian Revolution which had sought unsuccessfully to break free from the Soviet empire. WWP cadres staff the IAC offices and share political platforms. For example, WWP leaders spoke at an IAC rally in 1995 condemning Republicans generally and The Contract with America, specifically. Among them was Gavrielle Gemma, who has been credited with recruiting Clark to the IAC.

Among its icons, like Cuba's dictator Fidel Castro, the Workers World Party has an unrestrained admiration for North Korean dictator Kim Il Sung. In November 1986, Deirdre Griswold, an IAC executive, declared that North Korea was a socialist success story because there was no poverty, famine, or homelessness in North Korea. Griswold alleged that Kim Il Sung's birthday was celebrated both in North and South Korea.

The National Co-Director of the IAC is Brian Becker, who is a member of the secretariat of the WWP, and a member of the A.N.S.W.E.R coalition steering committee. A.N.S.W.E.R. is presently coordinating anti-American, pro-Iraq "peace" protests across the country. Becker is much admired by the Korean Communists for his loyalty to the terrorist state. In its March 16, 2002 edition, the Korean Central News of the People's Democratic Republic of Korea reported that , "Brian Becker, member of the secretariat of the Workers World Party of the United States, at a press interview held in Pyongyang before his departure from the DPRK, denounced the U.S. for having committed crimes against the Korean people. He said that his visit to the Sinchon Museum during his stay in the DPRK offered a good opportunity to know well about the thrice-cursed mass killings of peaceable people committed by the U.S. during the Korean War. The United States which is chiefly responsible for the division of Korea keeps almost 40,000 troops in South Korea, staging various war maneuvers and mercilessly killing innocent people, he noted. He demanded the U.S. troops be withdrawn from South Korea at once, taking their lethal weapons with them. He stressed that the Workers World Party of the United States would in the future, too, conduct a more vigorous solidarity campaign condemning the U.S. administration's moves to perpetuate the division of Korea and calling for the withdrawal of the U.S. troops from South Korea."

As well as being a moving force in the WWP, IAC and A.N.S.W.E.R., Becker is chairman of the U.S. Troops Out of Korea Committee and vice chairman of the International Committee of the same. He helped coordinate the protests at the inaugural of President Bush and in general seems to be involved in every anti-American, anti-capitalist, and anti-democratic effort mounted by the political left.

Becker and the IAC are also staunch defenders of Slobodan Miloslevic, Kim II Sung and Kim Sung II and Mumia Abu-Jamal. On June 23, 2001 Becker directed a "people's tribunal" condemning US war crimes in Korea. One of the sponsors of the tribunal was Al-Awda, The Palestine Right of Return Commission. Clark and IAC members periodically meet with North Korean, Iraqi and Cuban government officials. Among other charges the group has made, the IAC has claimed that Usama bin Laden is the victim of an American imperialist plot. They contend that the military-oil complex is exploiting 9/11 to take control of the oil resources of the Middle East — a claim echoed by the Nation's Katrina Vanden Heuvel and other factions of the left.

The Workers World Party is an anti-semitic, Stalinist organization, whose goal is a communist revolution which would overthrow the American "ruling class" and establish a "workers state."The founder of the WWP, Sam Marcy, was a Communist who believed that Soviet leaders Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin were counter-revolutionaries. Marcy allied the WWP with the Russian Communist Workers Party (RKRP) an anti-Semitic group that criticized Vladimir Putin for being too close to the Jews. The WWP decried perestroika — Gorbachev's attempt to reform Communism — and associated itself with Iraq after the USSR severed its contact with Hussein. They considered Saddam Hussein a victim of U.S. imperialism.

The FBI considers the WWP a terrorist organization. On May 10, 2001, FBI Director Louis Freeh stated that "Anarchists and extremist socialist groups — many of which, such as the Workers World Party, have an international presence and, at times, also represent a potential threat in the United States."

The mainstream media has somehow missed the fact that the most ubiquitous organizer of "anti-war" protests is directed by a terrorist support group. It would seem that a question on this front to Ramsey Clark at one of his regular press conferences might be in order.

Clark's published views are interesting enough. In a December 1997 interview with "Impact International," Clark claimed that when the Cold War against the Communists ended, America decided to make Islam its new enemy. has resulted in American hostility towards Islam. According to Clark, "Islam would be the new enemy. At Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman's trial, what we saw in both FBI and CIA files, and this is their phrase, 'the greatest threat to the international and domestic security of the United States is Islamic fundamentalism.' But actually, 'Islamic fundamentalism' to them is redundant. So they have to convict a blind Islamic scholar of terrorism to show that Islam is, at it highest levels of learning and attainment, nothing but a terrorist concept. How could a blind man be a terrorist, what could he do? They claimed that he was the leader of the conspiracy that set off the bomb in the World Trade Centre. They have now had two trials and two convictions of the defendants in the World Trade Centre cases, and Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman's name wasn't even mentioned at either trial. He had nothing to do with it, but we have this war against Islam going on."

It was Ramsey Clark who urged Lynne Stewart to become the blind sheik's defense attorney. Clark's two previous choices, Center for Constitutional Rights attorneys and noted defenders of criminals and terrorists — including the Palestinian assassin of Meyer Kahane — William Kuntsler and Ron Kuby, had recused themselves. Stewart is also well known for her representation of "revolutionaries" and murderers. Most recently, she represented several cop-killers (whom she no doubt considered revolutionaries) and Sammy "the Bull," Gravano a Mafioso whom she no doubt considered just rebellious).

Stewart shares the Communist beliefs of the WWP and IAC and the Center for Constitutional Rights. She is anti-capitalist and believes the USA is an imperialistic nation, and that anti-capitalist violence is justified. In a 1995 New York Times interview she said, "I don't believe in anarchistic violence, but in directed violence. That would be violence directed at the institutions which perpetuate capitalism, racism, and sexism, and at the people who are the appointed guardians of those institutions, and accompanied by popular support." Obviously, Stewart's worldview meshes seamlessly with that of Saddam Hussein, Yassir Arafat, the blind sheik and Osama Bin Laden. And with that of Deirdre Griswold Brian, Becker, Ramsey Clark and the Workers World Party.

Stewart and Clark's legal defense of the blind Sheik resulted in a conviction. They placed America on trial as a repressive, imperialist and terrorist state, and portrayed the Sheik as nothing more than an innocent holy man and political activist. It did not work.

Now Stewart's lawyer, Michael Tigar, is attempting the same legal strategy for her. This strategy has been formula of the anti-American legal left since the 1960s when Charles Garry, himself a member of the Communist Party, first devised it in the defense of Black Panther leader Huey Newton who was accused of murdering a California Highway Patrol Officer named John Frey. Garry put the United States on trial for racism, in a effort to distract the jury from the facts in the case (Newton was observed shooting the officer by a black bus driver who was only ten feet away.) The indict America defense was then developed by William Kuntsler and his disciples at the Center for Cosntitutional Rights, including Ron Kuby who represented Kahane's Arab assassin. Johnnie Cochran made the strategy world famous in his defense of O.J. Simpson. This was not merely coincidence, since Cochran began his criminal law career as a Black Panther attorney, defending Geronimo Pratt in the early 1970s. Lynne Stewart's counsel Michael Tigar was active in Communist Party groups while a student at Berkeley in the 1960s. One of Tigar's many accomplishments was to organize a U.S. delegation to the World Communist Youth Festival. Another was to defend Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols.

There are many legitimate defense attorneys who provide legal defenses for clients with whom they do not themselves sympathize. Lynne Stewart, Ramsey Clark, Ron Kuby and Michael Tigar are not among them.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3340

46 posted on 01/17/2005 6:44:44 PM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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Here's a wayout mystery-novel type theory:

The Wichita serial killer committed his first serial killing on January 15, 1978. He killed an entire family like this--bound them, tortured them, killed them. He has the nickname BTK because of his M.O.

BTK has been commemorating some of his murders by leaving souvenirs of the killings (8 in all, from 1978 to 1986) at different spots around Wichita for the past ten months.

The first family killed were the Oteros...father, mother, young son, and young aughter. They had not an enemy in the world. Police were baffled, because nothing of value was taken, and the killings were execution-style.

Now, WHAT IF BTK is now in New Jersey and committed this crime as a spectacular "Anniversary Edition"?

Flame way. I could use the heat. It's 10 degrees outside here.


47 posted on 01/17/2005 6:49:46 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Brian Mosely; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; Grampa Dave; devolve; onyx; potlatch; ntnychik

50 posted on 01/17/2005 6:54:38 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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Can't believe *anybody* would kill over that.

69 posted on 01/17/2005 7:21:07 PM PST by Terabitten (How many of them can we make die? Heather Alexander, "March of Cambreadth")
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On the news this morning, Fox BTW, talking head detectives were tip toeing around these murders, offering robbery as motive, describing some wounds (the stabs to the girl's wrist which had a cross tattoo) as defensive wounds. Now I read the victims were bound and gagged and slashed. Now I read of a connection with a trial translator.

The cops better cut out the PC BS. Bound and gagged with throats slashed doesn't fit into a robbery scenario IMO. Ritual murder does.

93 posted on 01/17/2005 7:51:40 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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Sounds as though they are all stretching to be certain that the Muslims aren't blamed. It's called cover-up and happens anytime there's a hate crime against a Christian or a white or a "straight".

The World as we know it currently.


107 posted on 01/17/2005 8:16:08 PM PST by Spirited
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ABC News has learned that the slain family's cousin has been a translator working for the prosecution in the trial of Lynne Stewart. She is the radical lawyer accused of smuggling messages from imprisoned Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, to terrorist cell members and associates.

OMG.

110 posted on 01/17/2005 8:22:39 PM PST by kcvl
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Islam is a peaceful, nonviolent religion, and if you disagree--WE'LL KILL YOU!!!!! There are no Muslim terrorists, but if you try to interfere with them, WE'LL KILL YOU!!!!!


114 posted on 01/17/2005 8:33:37 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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124 posted on 01/18/2005 7:22:40 AM PST by Gritty ("Fundamental Islam is a culture that lives for death. Why should we deprive them of it?"-Arlene Peck)
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ABC News has learned that the slain family's cousin has been a translator working for the prosecution in the trial of Lynne Stewart. She is the radical lawyer accused of smuggling messages from imprisoned Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, to terrorist cell members and associates.

Well that puts a twist on this.

127 posted on 01/18/2005 10:32:06 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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