Posted on 01/18/2005 11:49:48 AM PST by OB1kNOb
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 1/18/05
MICHAEL MARCAVAGE TO APPEAR ON FOX NEWS' "HANNITY & COLMES"
PHILADELPHIA - (RA) Tonight, Michael Marcavage, director of Repent America, and his criminal defense attorney, Scott Shields of Shields and Hoppe will appear on Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes".
The show will discuss the Repent America case involving the arrest of eleven Christians during an annual homosexual event known as “Outfest.” Four of the Christians are facing up to 47 years in prison for preaching and calling homosexual sex a sin, which the prosecutor and judge deemed “fighting words.” The charges include three felony (criminal conspiracy, ethnic intimidation, and riot) and five misdemeanor charges.
"Hannity & Colmes" airs at 9 p.m. Eastern on the FOX News Channel.
References: Hannity & Colmes http://www.foxnews.com/hannityandcolmes
Shields and Hoppe http://www.shieldsandhoppe.com
Nonsense. The “Christians” who refused to stay in their counter protest area did not have their freedom of speech or religion violated any more than they had their freedom to be black violated (if they had been). They simply disrespected the law that keeps opposition protests separated and allows little girls a voice without arming themselves for probable battle first.
Opposition forces are kept apart for the same reason that the families of victims are not allowed to bring their weapons into court. The first is no more of a violation of the first amendment than the second is of the second. Both stem from a recognition that circumstances for violence are greatly enhanced so we empower the police with the authority to impose the minimal amount of restraint to keep order without any practical violation of anyone’s rights.
But some people are really just looking for trouble while pretending and hiding behind their freedom of speech. They probably don’t get how easy they are to spot. Like all criminals, they probably think they’re smarter than everyone else. If they don’t learn, they have to be arrested.
Here’s the protestors’ video they shot of their work. At 6:08 what looks like the head cop on the scene says, “Look, You were told to go to Walnut Street. Put their gear in the wagon. You’re all under arrest.”
I watched that video and I think I'll wait to hear what they have to say on Hannity tonight. I heard the head of the other group on there last week and they sure did sound like they were looking for trouble. He stated that they were looking for the Christian group because they felt harrassed the year before. Something like that. Holding my tongue until I hear both sides tonight.
Yeah, those bad ol' Christians, they were just looking for a fight. The video clearly shows they were really harrassing the pink fairies, or whatever that group that kept circling around them are called. (sarc off)
I have no doubt the gay group was looking for trouble. That’s half the reason why the police separate them. But the gays appear to have got a permit for that location and followed police orders so they didn’t get arrested.
Worse, they were practically begging through their bull horns for a gay or cop to do something stupid so they could play victim in a media campaign like this one.
I really can't remember what the atty said about permits etc. But I do remember the arrogance of the head of the gay group. He was just obnoxious. That can turn me away from "what" he's saying. The "how" he says it is important too. I'll watch tonight and see. Seems the Christian group said they didn't need permits to stand where they stood. I just didn't like they way the pink poster-ettes were walking silently backing the Christians up.Using there posters like the armies used to use their shields. Look antagonistic to me. Freedom of Speech has to go both ways.
47 years for that! I would hate to see your vision of America, or even worse being on the wrong end of your "justice".
I don't believe the pf's permit coevered them using large signs soley to surround the RA protestors and block their signs with, nor for the whistles they kept blowing soley to drown out the RA voices, nor to surround the RA members and impede their movement. I saw in the video clearly twice that RA was moving away from the main stage area. I didn't hear the police tell the pf's to disband their harassing tactics. Sounds like selective (i.e. harassing) law enforcement. And I may be wrong, but I'm not aware of needing a permit to walk on a public sidewalk and hold a sign or to speak, but then freedom of speech may not be what I thought it meant.
Yes you’re wrong. Protests usually require permits for the reasons that I listed in my first post.
The gays followed the police instructions after they stepped over the line. The “Christians” did not and had to be arrested to get compliance. That’s the "selective".
The headline’s intentionally misleading (In other words, it’s a lie.). They probably got that number by adding up the maximum sentence under each of the 3 charges and then multiplying it by the number charged.
The author knows that no one’s going to actually get 47 years, probably not 47 days, but it makes a good headline if you don’t value honesty. They’d probably not get a single day if they just promised to follow the law, but these guys think they can get further if they do this media campaign. I think it’ll backfire.
I didn’t like it either. They were pigs.
"The gays followed the police instructions after they stepped over the line."
I don't think I saw that part in the video.
And "usually" is not the same as "always" or "legally". I think calling this a protest is a stretch. Looks to me like RA was voicing an opinion that others wanted squelched. Oh, and if what they were doing was so illegal, then why did the police never answer Marcavage's question when he kept politely asking them to specify what law they were breaking. I don't think I heard anyone in the video ever answer that question. Perhaps because they weren't breaking any law?
You’re watching a version edited by RA. If they gays weren’t persuaded to stop blocking their path, they would have never moved. I’d guess that their “politely” asking the cop to name the charges is a way to get them to make some kind of clumsy statement on video. But what do I know, it’s immaterial.
I’ve only attended 2 or 3 protest. The last was in West Palm Beach at the certification of the 2000 recount. One cute little babe broke away from the counter protest area and tried to get into the middle of our area. She looked adorable and innocent, but had a big mouth that wouldn’t stop. She was swarmed MUCH worse than the “Christians” at the gay protest. Multiple big dudes were in her face shouting insults, but she seemed un-phased and kept up her anti-Bush platitudes with a smile on her face.
She was eventually persuaded to leave, but I’m sure if she didn’t, she’d have been arrested. Otherwise someone would have even lost their cool with her and done something stupid. If it were a dozen guys trying to do what she did with bull horns, I don’t think they’d have walked away from our area. Someone would have screwed up, then someone retaliates and so on, and then they’d have been stretched out.
I’m sure if that girl had been roughed up, some fanatics would claim that it was because she was a Democrat. Or because she was a woman. She was also black, and I sometimes wonder if there was a video camera trained on her like these “Christians” had, just hoping that someone would overreact and make heros of them in the eyes of a gullible contingent like some on this thread. These people abusing their rights are so easy to spot by everyone else. Go ahead and get behind this if you like, but I’m confident that it will backfire.
Protests are permitted in order to keep them from becoming blood baths, with no one being able to prove who started what. This arrest was no more religiously motivated than an arrest of that girl would have been a racially motivated.
Sorry, but I've got to drop this for now.
Thanks for the discussion.
Thanks, same. Good luck.
Michael Marcavage... who runs the Bush Revealed website, which "serves as notice to Christians across this nation that President George Bush over the past few years has . . . promot[ed] evil and openly support[ed] wickedness."
Michael Marcavage... who has disrupted church services, public meetings, etc., by shouting down others, ignoring rules of order, violating common decency (driving on public roads with explicit signage), etc.
Just be aware of who this is.
Yes, as I understand it, the 47 years is by adding sentences, and the charges were already dropped on most (all?) of the defendants except for the juvenile (requires juvenile court to do that). Many, many distortions provided by these Christians In Name Only, who don't seem to know about that line about "bearing false witness"...
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