Today marks what would have been Robert E. Lee's 198th birthday.

Fredericksburg Free-Lance Star | Date published: 1/19/2005 | CALVIN E. JOHNSON JR., a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

[NJ Neocon]

The Cause was Just.

That so?

I reckon you don't fly the United States flag then huh?

[NJ Neocon]

Deification of Lee is unseemly. Despite all his good points, he is, at the end of the day, a man who was responsible for the deaths of more loyal Americans than anyone other than Hitler.

Amen.

[NJ Neocon]

In honor I will wipe my ass with a confererate flag.

LOL!

You go boyo!

The flag of an army bent on the destruction of my home, the United States.

The army of my country won that war. I fly it's flag proudly.

[NJ Neocon]

Maybe, maybe not...but either way, it wasn't R.E. Lee's call, was it?

Forced to agree here.

[Terabitten]

Lee could easily have led the *US* forces, which would have been far better for both the US *and* Virginia...

Probably so. However, in the analogy you gave, add the idea that UN troops invaded the US to enforce their beliefs. Which would be more important - defending the sovereignty of the US or possibly ending abortion? It becomes a terrible, heartwrenching decision. It's the same decision Lee faced. He chose to defend the sovereignty of his state. History has proven that although he chose the losing side, his motives were honorable and just.

[NJ Neocon]

From the looks of it, the same one you use as a napkin.

I don't get it.

[StonyBurk]

Why is it there wer emore abolitionist societies South of the Mason dixon than up North? And why don't the damyankees talk about the the free blacks who owned slaves?
or about the blacks who fought for the South.Or tell the truth about the numeration of slaves (three fifths?) My
understanding was that count was dreamed up by Yankees who feared a loss of power should the South count all
slaves as the South wanted to. Yankees didn't want slaves
counted at all.The three fifth solution was the compromise.

[StonyBurk]

There seems a great deal you don't get-cherry

[NJ Neocon]

Why is it there wer emore abolitionist societies South of the Mason dixon than up North?

The abolitionist movement was a North Eastern, Protestant movement. The printing and distribution of abolitionist material in the south was prohibited. Simply possessing a copy of "Uncle Tom's Cabin" was illegal in most of the south.

And why don't the damyankees talk about the the free blacks who owned slaves?

Even if this was true, it is irrelevant. Slavery is wrong, period. Whether North or South. The truth is this is a red herring designed to direct attention away from the main point - that being that Chattel slavery was a southern institution (isolated incidents elsewhere notwithstanding) and was the reason for the secession.

or about the blacks who fought for the South.

Largely myth built on a handful of cases.

Or tell the truth about the numeration of slaves (three fifths?) My understanding was that count was dreamed up by Yankees who feared a loss of power should the South count all slaves as the South wanted to. Yankees didn't want slaves counted at all.The three fifth solution was the compromise.

The South fought John Adams and the other anti-Slavery Northerners at the Constitutional convention for weeks when they wanted to abolish slavery then and there at the founding. Then, after they argued for weeks that slaves were "property" and not people, and convincing Adams 7 Co. that there would be no nation if he kept pushing the abolition of slavery, they had the gall to insist that their "property" count towards representation in congress.

The 3/5th of a person was yet another acquiescence to southern obstruction. They had no choice if they wanted a ratified Constitution.

[NJ Neocon]

Cherry?

I politely asked a question for clarification. I see you want to be rude and vulgar. I should have expected as much.

[sully777]

If Stonewall Jackson had lived. You would be taking your hat off to Dixie before football games. God bless Robert E.Lee a great American.

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No sir, it is indeed Providential that you and I were born American citizens, obtainers of rights afforded by God concerning the greatest indivisible nation that ever existed. Otherwise, if Stonewall lived, the world would be singing Deutchland Uber Alles by 1918 or 1941, then overwhelmed by worldwide communism.

The day this nation dies is the day the world's light is snuffed.

[NJ Neocon]

No sir, it is indeed Providential that you and I were born American citizens, obtainers of rights afforded by God concerning the greatest indivisible nation that ever existed. Otherwise, if Stonewall lived, the world would be singing Deutchland Uber Alles by 1918 or 1941, then overwhelmed by worldwide communism.

The day this nation dies is the day the world's light is snuffed.

Amen.

[dangus]

Oh, come now. The federalist papers had made very clear that the threat of disbanding would paralize democracy. The Articles of Confederation were soluble. The US Constitution was not.

[BigCinBigD]

I respect your opinion. But we will never know how history might have unfolded. The war of Northern aggression (had to slip that in ;O)) is long over, But as you see in this thread the scars are still healing.

[BigCinBigD]

Because the victors write the history books.

[Modernman]

I believe that distinction belongs to old "Honest Abe".

Following that logic, the deaths of the 1200 or so American servicemen in Iraq is the fault of George W. Bush.

[NJ Neocon]

Indeed.

The biggest problem I have is aggressive, innacurate, deliberatly provacative terms like "war of Northern Agression" or claims that slavery was not the cause.

Deal in reality first and then we can rationally discuss beefs and proper recognitions.

[NJ Neocon]

Following that logic, the deaths of the 1200 or so American servicemen in Iraq is the fault of George W. Bush.

And the deaths of 480,000 were FDR's fault. 12,000 were Washington's fault.

EXCELLENT! Bravo.

[NJ Neocon]

I respect your opinion. Thank you. I will try and do the same.

[Non-Sequitur]

Because the victors write the history books.

And the losers write the myths.