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Huge potential for abuse. Scary.
1 posted on 01/21/2005 11:01:50 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA
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Miniature GPS receivers are now available for about $1,000 and can be affixed to the undercarriage of vehicles in minutes.

They can also be found and removed in seconds. Know your vehicle.

2 posted on 01/21/2005 11:04:39 AM PST by The_Victor (Calvin: "Do tigers wear pajamas?", Hobbes: "Truth is we never take them off.")
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"Your movements on a highway aren't private," he said. "You don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy, which is a Fourth Amendment test."

But that doesn't include just highway movement, does it? It tracks what private establishments one goes to... Heck, you could drive around for 3 days in a parking lot, never entering onto the public roads, and it would record that too.

3 posted on 01/21/2005 11:04:54 AM PST by mwyounce
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That, and a huge potential for GPS detectors.


4 posted on 01/21/2005 11:07:18 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.)
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Most intersections in my area have video cameras. Simply add license plate reading software, and they will know where most people are most of the time.


6 posted on 01/21/2005 11:08:52 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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Drive down to the truck stop remove device and attach it to a long haul truck heading out of town.


9 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:08 AM PST by Mike Darancette (MESOCONS FOR RICE '08)
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Yeah, no expectation of privacy, but he did expect the government not to tamper with his property.


10 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:11 AM PST by mrsmith
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Anyone carrying a cell phone can be tracked..


11 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:20 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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Look out for the "if you have nothing to hide" crowd. Those people will sell any freedom away.


12 posted on 01/21/2005 11:09:38 AM PST by mysterio
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Placing a device on a private vehicle without the owner's permission is not a violation of privacy? How about recording everything the driver says as he drives down the road. This judge is a very dangerous idiot.


13 posted on 01/21/2005 11:10:07 AM PST by microgood (Washington State: Ukraine without the poison)
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"who said using the gadgets is virtually the same thing as following a car along a road."

The only difference being that if they actually want to follow a car on the road they have to use a vehicle and manpower to do it.

Now instead they can have someone attach a device that costs $60 to as many cars as they want and sit someone down at a pc to watch them.

This is very, very bad.


14 posted on 01/21/2005 11:10:25 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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A quick technological note here. The GPS devices you buy in your store do not transmit. They only receive. So they cannot be used to track your vehicle from afar.

The devices that these cops are using must include some sort of transmitter. This is more like Lojack, or the combined GPS/cell-phone services provided by OnStar.

So I don't want stories like this to scare people away from heading to the store and picking up a standalone GPS navigation system, or ordering one (without OnStar) in their car. They're pretty cool and useful devices.

(As for cell phones with GPS built in---well, I don't know enough about them to know for sure how much of a privacy scare they are. But there is definitely potential for scariness there.)

18 posted on 01/21/2005 11:18:07 AM PST by mcg1969
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21 posted on 01/21/2005 11:29:59 AM PST by joesnuffy (Freedom's just another 'word' for 'Nothin' left to lose')
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Time to start selling a GPS jammer, maybe broadcast static at 1575.42 and 1227.60 MHz.

If they can take the time to get one of these devices and install it on a car, I don't think it can be seen as an undue burden to law enforcement to also require a warrant.


22 posted on 01/21/2005 11:30:26 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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"Must attach Bat-Tracker to the back of the villians' getaway car..."

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

24 posted on 01/21/2005 11:31:55 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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Typical NY State crap!


26 posted on 01/21/2005 11:34:26 AM PST by zzen01
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"Law enforcement personnel could have conducted a visual surveillance of the vehicle as it traveled on the public highways," Hurd wrote.

True. But in conducting the visual surveillance, the cop wouldn't have had to place his hands on the vehicle without a warrant or the owner's consent to install the tracking device.

BTW, this is why I will never have Onstar or Easypass. How could I seriesly argue that I have an expectation of privacy if I've authorized GM to track my every move?

34 posted on 01/21/2005 11:47:08 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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So, its OK to tamper with a private citizens car without his knowledge. But, it is legal for us citizens to attach a GPS to the LEO cruiser and track his movements?

Wow, many ideas going through my mind now.

36 posted on 01/21/2005 11:51:29 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways (but you must follow the instructions carefully))
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Thanks for posting this thread.


51 posted on 01/21/2005 12:22:29 PM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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Cops without a warrant can secretly attach Global Positioning System devices to a suspect's vehicle, according to a federal judge - who said using the gadgets is virtually the same thing as following a car along a road.

well, shoot. putting a gps on a person's body is virtually the same as watching someone walk around so, hey, why not?

Somebody please put the "prudence" back in jurisprudence.

53 posted on 01/21/2005 12:23:12 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Leftists Are Losers.)
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So if I find one on my car, can I assume it has been abandoned or given to me to use as a skeet target?


65 posted on 01/21/2005 2:07:08 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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