Posted on 01/21/2005 5:08:41 PM PST by quidnunc
PETA, after all, comes into a community where they are not wanted and forces their ideas off on everybody else, even with violence and threats of violence.
Same thing is true with the billboard people. They come into a neighborhood where their ideas of nekkidness are not shared, put up a billboard, force the locals to look at it, and then, if there is objection, threaten to bring in the police to smack everybody down.
A question for you ~ how is it that you can be such a vociferous supporter both PETA and pornography, and at the same time so terribly negative on the right of a community to set it's own standards of decency?
I wrote that I do not advocate violence or destruction of property. Breaking laws for their own agenda is wrong. It may very well work against them. This is childish behavior from people who are ignorant of the law. They do not have the intelligence to approach the matter in a mature and dignified way. This is not a community trying to set a standard of decency. This is vandalism and it's against the law
Property rights advocates always make every other right or privilege secondary to the sacredness of things.
You have a great imagination. As far as I know Jefferson was an ethicist not a moralist and had great respect for reason.
From one end of the globe to the other they are making Islam known as a murderous cult of death. Right or wrong that is the way the world is coming to see it.
Any outrage or opposition to them from within the world of Islam is hardly a blip on the radar. Things will get real difficult for you in Britain if a 9/11 type incident happens there. Bet on that.
That is true but straight reporting of it is legitimate news. That is not where the media lies at fault.
There is absolutely no military or strategic benefit in attacking the trade center, ...
That is absolutely ridiculous. It cost this country billions of dollars and shut down our biggest financial center for days. Many of the biggest financial corp.'s in the country had their main offices there. It was a huge blow to our economy. That is specifically one of the ways that the MSM betrays us; they have ignored that and put the blame for a slow economy on Pres. Bush's policies. His policies weren't even instituted yet.
You also ignore the fact that the Pentagon was critically injured in the same attack and that either the White House or the Capitol Building was targeted too.
made a point of not watching the footage of sept 11th, till this day I haven't seen what happened.
Apparently you think that ignorance is bliss. The truth is that ignorance is the cause of all suffering.
...well, political Islam is a relatively new phenomenon for us, it was in part, supported by the West in pre-colonial times to bring down the Ottomans, and again to impede Soviet expansionism.
That may well be (if you ignore the life of the Prophet, the Crusades period, and the last 60 years in Isreal and the last thirty years with the U.S.)and the wisdom of using that hatred is obviously debatable. But it wasn't invented by the West.
But it has peaked and is in decline; ...
We (and you - if you consider yourself a Brit) are in a major war in Iraq, with 150,000 U.S. troops alone, fighting it for over a year now. We are still fighting it in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is rampant in India, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Africa, there are numerous cells here in the U.S. and throughout Europe and it even has a strong hold in the rigidly controlled communist state of China. Not to mention Russia and former Soviet states. The numerous daily incidents that do make the news speak volumes of its vitality and determination not to mention the obvious support it must have to exist at all. And there is Isreal and the palestinians. The media isn't pimping those things it is suckered by the outrageous brutality of terrorist acts. The MSM hardly overplays terrorism. They don't even show the worst of 9/11 or replay it at all now. Quite the opposite, they downplay terrorism and make excuses for it.
You seem to be making excuses for terrorism too. Ethically speaking, you are validating and encouraging it. That is just the sort of thing I meant when I said that outrage or opposition within Islam is a blip. In fact it's worse, you confirm that "non-violent Muslims" are part of it. You accept it. You excuse it. You enable it.
Understand me, this is not my emotional response, I simply observe that Islam is becoming known, without complaint, as hateful, intolerant, brutal and insane. Correct or not, that conclusion will be met with what seems an appropriate response from "the West." Even European lefties will raise their torches and pitchforks after a couple of big "incidents" over there. I should say "especially" European lefties.
Are you at all familiar with the history of Europe? Or Britain? Do you think Brits, Scots and Irishmen are no longer capable of feeling national/cultural loyalty or self-preservation? Or perhaps you think we civilized Westerners have overcome such mundane errors of human thinking such as prejudice, mis-calculation and mis-communication?
If Islam doesn't speak for itself, loud and clear, against terrorism, the West will draw its conclusions from what it sees. You can tell what I see and I, as most FReepers, see much more than the two-dimensional picture the media portrays.
Right now the media is covering up and excusing terrorism as much as it can yet most who see nothing but the tube already think Islam is insane. But the media can change its spots in a minute. Its loyalty is to itself and it will do what makes it popular. That's where the money is.
Enjoy your youthful frivolities while you can. Life for everyone is on the brink of becoming a living hell.
It's not about property rights per se. It's about the rule-of-law. Something an American conservative should know. Our Constitution was based on and founded in the principle of protecting every sacred thing through the rule-of-law, not anarchy. (What they base law on in Britain I don't know.)
Rebellion is a last resort and if abortion on demand doesn't meet the standard for it it's a sorry morality that says that posters of nude women do.
In the meantime communities should be able to prohibit what they see as pornography from being displayed in their own areas.
You've come a long way from supporting vandalism by a fringe group to that.
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