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Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi: Stakes are high in mission to bring democracy to Iran
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 22/01/2005 | Sarah Sands

Posted on 01/22/2005 2:03:08 AM PST by F14 Pilot

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To: F14 Pilot

I am aware..That is why I believe your "no bloodshed" is a bit dreamy eyed.


41 posted on 01/22/2005 3:53:46 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: F14 Pilot

Ah, it doesn't sound like it from what you've written about Iran. It sounds like the Mullahs have made Persians unfree to me. I think all men are free to choose though. But they're not all politically free.


42 posted on 01/22/2005 3:54:01 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: MEG33

I told you, Mullahs have no mercy but we shouldnt trigger them to kill more!


43 posted on 01/22/2005 3:54:42 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

All men are born free..but some live not with freedom but tyranny.


44 posted on 01/22/2005 3:55:30 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

Yeah and the tyrannies are all hand made! Some make tyranny for others to control them! ;-)


45 posted on 01/22/2005 3:57:50 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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But since they're running a morally bankrupt, politically intolerant, brutal dictatorship without legitimacy they've forfeited the reason for anyone to support them, especially their Persian victims. Now, they are pursuing nuclear weapons for the stated purpose of using them. Yet you keep telling us that you can peacefully get rid of them and that no one else should defang them from doing to others what they do to Iranians. It just doesn't compute.
46 posted on 01/22/2005 3:58:09 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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Iranians are not willing to buy freedom at any cost.

Well that's obvious. And that is why they remain under the yoke of an oppressive theocracy.

Anyone unwilling to spend everything they have for freedom can't afford it.

47 posted on 01/22/2005 3:59:01 AM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: elhombrelibre

YOU may get shocked if I tell you that the Mullahs want the Nukes to control their own people! They dont have the gut to use it against the west


48 posted on 01/22/2005 3:59:14 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Glad we didn't feel that way about the British in the Revolution...We felt that way about Hitler for awhile..look where that led.

I am sorry..there seems to be no real hope..Nothing will pry the power from the mullahs easily and without bloodshed.


49 posted on 01/22/2005 3:59:31 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: F14 Pilot

For your sake, pray that they don't use them against anyone. But, if Iranians are fine with the Mullahs having nukes, then they'll have to be fine with them possibly being used on Iranians. Even inaction has a price.


50 posted on 01/22/2005 4:01:06 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: pillbox_girl

no one buys freedom!

Will you accept the idea of being occupied by Germans or French?


51 posted on 01/22/2005 4:01:30 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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I doubt they want the Nukes. Mullahs want the nukes as a stick over the head of their own people!


52 posted on 01/22/2005 4:03:31 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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The man has some excellent points and is obviously highly educated. However, regardless of the condition of his people and his country, he certainly sounded like he's got an unflatteringly ugly, vast disdain for the "stupid Iraqis."


53 posted on 01/22/2005 4:05:10 AM PST by GretchenM (It remains to be seen what God will do through a person who gives Him all the glory.)
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By Military intervention in Iran, we will let the Mullahs KILL more human beings.

Do tell ... In case you haven't noticed, that's what happens in revolutions. The question is whether the blood spilled by the tyrants to maintain their regime is more acceptable than the blood spilled while removing them.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
  -- Thomas Jefferson

54 posted on 01/22/2005 4:05:39 AM PST by pillbox_girl
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http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=57916&d=22&m=1&y=2005
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Despite almost daily terrorist attacks most Iraqis appear determined that the election should take place. Almost 75 percent of those eligible to vote under a UN-established list have registered. Over 6000 candidates, from Communists to monarchists and passing-by democrats and Islamists, are contesting the 275 seats of the National Assembly whose main task is to write a new constitution.

Campaigning for the election is most intense in the Shiite and Kurdish areas where the insurgents, despite a number of spectacular attacks, have failed to make an impression. Meetings are held in mosques, schools, village halls and the homes of the candidates where would-be voters are often treated to free meals. In parts of southern Iraq big tribal tents double as town halls for the election.

Much of the debate takes place through the 50 or so privately owned talk-show radios, especially in and around Baghdad, and in the columns of the 200 or so new newspapers and magazines that have appeared since liberation in April 2003.

“We know that there are criminals determined to blow us up,” says Abdul-Hussein Hindawi, head of the independent Electoral Commission. “But we cannot allow fear to shape our future. Iraqis know that they must take risks to build a free society.”


55 posted on 01/22/2005 4:09:44 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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the USA fought for their freedom! They didnt!


56 posted on 01/22/2005 4:11:03 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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Damn but you just don't Get It.

no one buys freedom!

Not with money, no. With blood, sweat, and tears, yes.

Will you accept the idea of being occupied by Germans or French?

Now there's a humorous image. No. And I never will because I am willing to use whatever means are necessary to ensure such a patently ridiculous and impossible situation ever happens.

57 posted on 01/22/2005 4:11:07 AM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: pillbox_girl

So they will do the same, I guess!


58 posted on 01/22/2005 4:12:00 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

France and Germany have already been invaded by Americans. Now, they fear we won't keep our army in Germany and the Americans won't visit Paris or drink French whine.


59 posted on 01/22/2005 4:21:25 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Liberalism is proof that intelligent people can ignore as much as the ignorant.)
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To: F14 Pilot

I Love this flag and I'll die for it!

60 posted on 01/22/2005 4:22:46 AM PST by Khashayar
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