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Cure for the glitter glut? Dwindling ratings cast pall over awardcasts (Michael Moore)
Variety.com ^ | Sun., Jan. 23, 2005 | MICHAEL SCHNEIDER

Posted on 01/23/2005 7:34:30 AM PST by fight_truth_decay

Hollywood is ready for a kudocast overhaul.

"I don't think it's enough to just hand out awards. In order to survive, award shows need to be the variety specials of the new millennium," says Bob Bain, a producer of the Billboard and Teen Choice awards shows.

The Jan. 16 Golden Globes slumped to their worst performance since moving to NBC in 1996. The People's Choice Awards posted its lowest ratings on record.

All this bad news comes at the height of awards season, with Oscar noms to be unveiled Jan. 25 and the ceremony slated for Feb. 27.

And the fear extends beyond this season: The Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, still stunned over the lowest Emmy ratings in 14 years, has decided to give a makeover to its kudocast next September.

Everyone has a stake in keeping the genre healthy.

Awards shows make big bucks for the non-profit org handing out prizes, as well as the network. Studio execs like the opportunity to give plugs to current and upcoming films and TV shows. And stars, constantly battered by gossip about their private lives, like to remind the public that they are artists whose work should be taken seriously.

(Excerpt) Read more at variety.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: awards; goldenglobes; hollywood; hollywoodcrap; hollywoodpoop; melgibson; michaelmoore; peopleschoice; ratings
The Producers Guild of America has tapped the sprawling Howard Hughes biopicbiopic "The Aviator" as its top feature film of 2004, awarding producers Michael Mann and Graham King the Darryl F. Zanuck Producer of the Year award.

"The Aviator" has grossed about $60 million domestically since opening a month ago. With its Golden Globe win plus the PGA's preference for large-scale productions, the choice of "The Aviator" did not generate much surprise.."

About 17 million viewers watched the awards (Globes) ceremony on NBC, its smallest audience ever since it was first aired on broadcast television in 1996. The Globes were down about 10 million viewers from last year, when the show drew its biggest audience ever.

31st Annual People's Choice Awards[lowest ratings on record] -Michael Moore film Fahrenheit 9/11, which took a critical look at U.S. President George W. Bush's actions after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, won the favourite movie award, while Mel Gibson's explicit The Passion of the Christ won in the favourite drama category.

Moore dedicated his win to the U.S. troops fighting overseas and said he was "amazed'' that people voted his film their favourite.

"I love making movies and I'll take this as an invitation to make more Fahrenheit 9/11s,'' Moore said.

1 posted on 01/23/2005 7:34:33 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Hooray for Hollywierd.


2 posted on 01/23/2005 7:36:58 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: mewzilla

That's Hollyweird.


3 posted on 01/23/2005 7:37:30 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"I love making movies and I'll take this as an invitation to make more Fahrenheit 9/11s,'' Moore said.

TRANSLATION: I cheated a dead USAF Major's family out of any compensation while using footage of his funeral for free. I edited the interview of a soldier who lost both arms and made it look like he said something he didn't and screwed him out of compensation too. Life is good.

4 posted on 01/23/2005 7:45:27 AM PST by Doctor Raoul ( ----- HERTZ: We're #1 ----- AVIS: We're #2 We Try Harder ----- CBS: We're #3 We LIE Harder)
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To: fight_truth_decay

I have a cheap and efficient solution that will please everyone and save billions of dollars.

Mail the awards to the winners. Mention the winners on "Entertainment Tonight" and forget the glam-fest.

Jack.


5 posted on 01/23/2005 7:47:06 AM PST by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: Jack Deth

No one's watching these quality shows ? I'm shocked !


6 posted on 01/23/2005 7:48:31 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: fight_truth_decay
And stars, constantly battered by gossip about their private lives, like to remind the public that they are artists whose work should be taken seriously.

BWAAAAAHAAAAA!

Oh please stop, you're killing me!

7 posted on 01/23/2005 7:48:36 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

How dare Hollywood celebrate anything! What about the tsunami victims?!!! Shouldn't Hollywood take all the millions that will be wasted on all these "award" shows and donate it to the tsunami victims?!!! Heartless, rich, evil, stingy Democrats!!!


8 posted on 01/23/2005 7:52:09 AM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: fight_truth_decay
I'm surprised anyone watches this self-congratulatory crap at all.

The award show hit its zenith back when there were a grand total of three choices on the tube, so there was a huge "captive audience" factor. If you had nothing better to do, you watched the Oscars or the Emmys, often because they preempted whatever it was you would have watched. Even at that, Ol' Grampa Skid would not - under any circumstances - watch the Tony Awards... he felt (and still feels) that the test pattern was superior in entertainment value.

9 posted on 01/23/2005 7:54:00 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: fight_truth_decay

Add to that...to show how BAD the "extravaganzas" are
becoming...Joan Rivers and her daughter are doing
ads for the musical Grammies! Now there's a dead
horse of another brand of major nip and tuck!


10 posted on 01/23/2005 7:54:39 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: fight_truth_decay
America mourns.


11 posted on 01/23/2005 7:54:42 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: fight_truth_decay
Here's to the Academy Awards having the lowest ratings - EVER.

Incidentally, Jamie Fox is DROP DEAD perfect as 'RAY'. If he isn't acknowledged for this performance, then the award system is exposed for the fraud it is.

12 posted on 01/23/2005 7:55:25 AM PST by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: fight_truth_decay

"Moore dedicated his win to the U.S. troops fighting overseas and said he was "amazed'' that people voted his film their favourite."




Yeah, right! That's why he was out promoting and insisting that people vote for his film as a way to counter the election results.


13 posted on 01/23/2005 7:57:47 AM PST by cwb
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To: mewzilla
Q: Michael, Michael...over here Michael..! You received the Peoples Choice Award "for favorite movie". However, The People's Choice Awards posted its lowest ratings on record. How do you explain this, being most favorite and all?

A: Inaudible

Did Desperate Viewers turn to Desperate Housewives?

At 9 p.m., "Desperate Housewives" had the evening's highest ratings with a 15.1/22 for ABC. NBC's "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" did an 8.6/12 to edge the 8.4/12 for hour two of FOX's "24," though the FOX drama pulled in more viewers. CBS' telecast of the People's Choice Awards did a 6.9/10.

14 posted on 01/23/2005 8:00:07 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: doberville
Incidentally, Jamie Fox is DROP DEAD perfect as 'RAY'

I agree!

15 posted on 01/23/2005 8:01:21 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: doberville

Jamie Fox will win. Guaranteed.


16 posted on 01/23/2005 8:11:33 AM PST by Hildy ( To work is to dance, to live is to worship, to breathe is to love.)
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To: edskid
I'm surprised anyone watches this self-congratulatory crap at all.

Agreed. I was watching the news the other morning and they had a recap of one of the awards show (Golden Globe? Hell, I don't know). Anyway, my wife and I hadn't heard of at least 3/4 of the people that won awards. Then there was a commercial on last night that had a montage of "stars" at some awards show--couldn't recognize a single one of them. Not one.

17 posted on 01/23/2005 8:29:02 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Maybe because there's an award show every third day? "And by golly we'll keep having award shows until EVERYBODY wins one for SOMETHING!" "And now, the winner in the Best Hair Style Worn by a Supporting Actress Whose Name Begins with an 'L' Category..."

Or maybe, just maybe, we don't care? If Hollywood likes it, I know I'll probably hate it.


18 posted on 01/23/2005 8:38:12 AM PST by nodumbblonde
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To: fight_truth_decay

if it showed all of these wackos jumping off a cliff ratings would improve...


19 posted on 01/23/2005 8:41:00 AM PST by democrats_nightmare
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To: nodumbblonde
Maybe because there's an award show every third day?

No kidding. I'd think being a doctor in Hollyweird nowadays would be a lucrative business, what with all the self-absorbed celebs constantly breaking their arms to pat each other on the back all the time.

20 posted on 01/23/2005 8:52:08 AM PST by MCH
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To: democrats_nightmare
if it showed all of these wackos jumping off a cliff ratings would improve...

I haven't watched the Academy Awards for oh, a good six years, but I'd tune-in for that.

21 posted on 01/23/2005 9:03:02 AM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"I don't think it's enough to just hand out awards. In order to survive, award shows need to be the variety specials of the new millennium," says Bob Bain, a producer of the Billboard and Teen Choice awards shows.

Actually, Bob, you can give this herd of pigs all the makeovers you want and it won't change the fact that they're still a herd of pigs.

Hollyweird came down hard on the wrong side of the '04 election and they are paying the price. Plus, America is tired of seeing these overpaid, undertalented sloths give themselves awards for being able to do and say what someone else told them to.

If they want awards, let them get real jobs and see what real awards are about.
22 posted on 01/23/2005 9:04:09 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: Grendel9
Joan Rivers and her daughter are doing ads for the musical Grammies! Now there's a dead horse of another brand of major nip and tuck!

I watched the Oscars the last three years because of the Lord of the Rings movies. I have zero interest in any of the movies this year, so I won't bother.

The FR Guild's live, pre-show, red carpet threads are much more entertaining than the shows themselves. The outfits that some of those women leave home in astound me. They must not even own mirrors or else why would they come out in public looking like they do. It must be the case of their staffs telling them how gorgeous they look, and they believe it.

It is the glut of awards shows that have diminished people's interest in the big three. It seems there's an award show on every other week! Folks lose track after awhile cause there are just too many!

23 posted on 01/23/2005 9:10:00 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: fight_truth_decay
Problem is, when it comes Oscar time, too many right here on FR will be drooling over it, posting 'live' threads, and otherwise trying to gin up credibility for a set of leftist political awards for generally bad films.

Why is interest down? Why is box office down? Apart from constantly attacking America and what Americans stand for, bad movies. No star power. Instead of Jimmy Stewart - Ethan Hawke. Instead of the evil pro-American John Wayne, the diminutive 'Frenchman', Johnny Depp. Audrey Hepburn to ? Julie Andrews? Sophia Loren? In other words, stars, for what it was ever worth. And the quality isn't what it was. And it would have to be better than it was to compete particularly with cable sports, which is really the strength of cable, save for niches like sci-fi or political coverage (FOX, C-SPAN).

24 posted on 01/23/2005 9:17:02 AM PST by sevry
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To: fight_truth_decay

No thought that maybe large portions of their audience weere turned off by the preference for F911 over Passion?


25 posted on 01/23/2005 10:41:41 AM PST by dangus
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I haven't watched an Awards Show since "Hill Street Blues" rightfully swept the Emmys, Eric.

You would think that Hollywood would wise up and begin to understand that no one between the coasts are interested.

Jack.


26 posted on 01/23/2005 10:52:27 AM PST by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Well .. a "makeover" is truly needed. But the makeover the Hollyweirds plan is not the makeover that is required.

I remember the great movies Hollywood made during WWII. They not only supported the war, they supported our right to conduct the war. This attitude is not present in Hollyweird anymore - thus no great movies generating pride in America and in our military.

Those movie makers are mostly dead now .. and the new ones are from the drug culture. It shouldn't surprise anyone how depraved the current crop of movies are.


27 posted on 01/23/2005 1:27:04 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: Hildy
Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles was indeed a great performance. Billy Bob Thorton as the coach in Friday Night Lights put in one of the best performances he ever has done and should get something other than a boot (I hate his politics but the stint as the coach was a good act).

Hollywood and the entertainment industry is one of the most self flatulating industries ever. Does any other industry have such awards for such little effort?

28 posted on 01/23/2005 2:13:04 PM PST by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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To: nodumbblonde
Hi All-

"...Maybe because there's an award show every third day? And by golly, we'll keep having award shows until EVERYBODY wins one for SOMETHING! "And now, the winner in the Best Hair Style Worn by a Supporting Actress Whose Name Begins with an 'L' Category..."

You're right about no normal people caring about which actor/actress wins whatever award. These frequent awards shows (Emmy, Tony, MTV, BET, Peoples' Choice, Hollywood Awards, Cannes Film Festival, ad nauseum) are scheduled weekly and are absolutely painful. Whenever one comes on in place of normal programming, I switch off the television and logon to the computer.

~ Blue Jays ~

29 posted on 01/23/2005 2:28:14 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: vetvetdoug

The best performance doesn't necessarily win. Last night I saw THE HOUSE OF SAND AND FOG and how Ben Kingsley didn't win for that I don't know. I saw all the nominated performances now and his was incredible. Penn did a good job, but Ben Kinglsey was nothing short of genius. This was an incredibly depressing movie (as was Mystic River), but the movie was just brilliant, the characters so well-developed, I've truly not seen such a good movie in a very long time.


30 posted on 01/23/2005 2:31:02 PM PST by Hildy ( To work is to dance, to live is to worship, to breathe is to love.)
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To: CyberAnt
Of the many kinds of films that Hollywood produced during World War II to rally the public behind the war effort, perhaps the most distinctive was the combat film. Films like Air Force, Destination Tokyo, Flying Tigers, Guadalcanal Diary, Objective, Burma!, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, and Wake Island gave viewers on the home front a vicarious sense of participating in the war. Employing an almost documentary style, these films helped bring the war home. But these war films did much more: they helped educate viewers in the reasons why we fought by depicting "democracy in action."

Excerpt: Hollywood's World War II Combat Movies

31 posted on 01/23/2005 4:45:16 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Thanks for that link. I remember going to the theatre to see a few of these movies. Even as a young person they were instrumental in making me proud to be an American.


32 posted on 01/23/2005 5:06:53 PM PST by The Final Harvest (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: GVgirl
if it showed all of these wackos jumping off a cliff ratings would improve...

I haven't watched the Academy Awards for oh, a good six years, but I'd tune-in for that.

And the grand finally Michael Moore for the last jump now that would be a big SPLAT!!

33 posted on 01/23/2005 11:29:23 PM PST by democrats_nightmare
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To: doberville
then the award system is exposed for the fraud it is.

The Academy lost all credibility in 1991 when it gave Kevin Costner's PC-drenched Dances With Wolves top honors over Martin Scorsese's magisterial Goodfellas.

This was the greatest crime in Oscar history.

34 posted on 01/23/2005 11:38:57 PM PST by Drew68
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To: fight_truth_decay

Why do they think we are interested in watching them pat each other on the back for making lousy movies?! After all, they could give all that money they spend on clothes, furs, food & drinks, etc. to charity. Isn't that what the "elite" media said about the Inauguration?!


35 posted on 01/23/2005 11:42:04 PM PST by kcvl
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To: randog
I hadn't heard of at least 3/4 of the people that won awards.

Then you beat me because I couldn't tell you the last movie I saw in a theater.

36 posted on 01/23/2005 11:45:54 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Drew68

all the awards shows lost me when they started saying, "and the (fill in the blank) goes to...." instead of the traditional "and the winner is..." More of that, aren't we all winners PC crap.


37 posted on 01/23/2005 11:47:59 PM PST by SAMS
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To: fight_truth_decay
"The Aviator" has grossed about $60 million domestically since opening a month ago.

Napoleon Dynamite has almost done this well.

38 posted on 01/23/2005 11:49:03 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: cwb
Moore dedicated his win to the U.S. troops fighting overseas


No kidding. Dedicating the win to the US troops, after he said that the terrorists in Iraq are the new revolutionaries, and that they would win? Yeah, I'm sure they appreciate his dedicating his win to them, after he pretty much said they were guaranteed to lose.
39 posted on 01/23/2005 11:51:13 PM PST by Optimus Prime (Do liberals even qualify as sentient beings?)
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To: fight_truth_decay

The made for TV movie docudrama "Heroes of Desert Storm" (1991) is a gem; if you can find it. Most reviews pan it as incredibly bad.

It isn't.


40 posted on 01/23/2005 11:59:20 PM PST by wolficatZ (January)
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To: democrats_nightmare
And the grand finally Michael Moore for the last jump now that would be a big SPLAT!!

I just find the whole thing a colossal bore. The movies have no substance and you get self-absorbed, pontificating airheads for hours and hours and hours. I knew the Awards weren't my cup of tea when I saw a film clip where the techno-geeks were presented with awards for technical achievements at their own separate little dinner, and I thought, "Finally, some class and talent!"

41 posted on 01/24/2005 6:35:31 AM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: COUNTrecount

TYpical examples of what M-TV has done to the brains
of our youth! They don't live in the same world as
the rest of us. Stayed too long with Pokemon, then
graduated to X-Box, then on to Rap. Brain totally
dead.


42 posted on 01/24/2005 9:37:35 AM PST by Grendel9
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