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Challenging monogamy (Polyamorists fall in love with all they couple with)
Denver Post ^ | Jan 22 05 | Douglas Brown

Posted on 01/23/2005 8:03:29 PM PST by churchillbuff

On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, Misty slept with her husband. Vince climbed into her bed on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. And Sundays? Misty had Vince's wife all to herself.

The kids, meanwhile, stuck to their own mattresses.

Life was good in the "quad." Two couples, several kids, one house, five years and lots of scheduled sex - first in Boston, and then in Lakewood.

The quad broke up in 1999, when Vince Botinelly, 50, looked up an old flame, thereby straying outside of the de facto group marriage and having, in essence, an "affair."

Today, Botinelly, remains married to his wife, and lives in the house the quad bought together in Lakewood. Misty Stark, 44, got divorced about a year ago, and lives in Broomfield with her two teenage daughters, about a mile distant from her husband, whom she describes as a friend. She and Botinelly still consider themselves "partners" - they even wear matching "freedom" rings on their left hands that they exchanged - and have held two ceremonies to mark their commitment to each other.

Like hundreds of other Coloradans, and tens of thousands of people around the nation, Stark and Botinelly practice polyamory, meaning they pursue and enjoy multiple committed relationships simultaneously.

"None of my partners meets all of my needs," says Botinelly, a gaunt computer programmer with small oval glasses who looks like Woody Allen with long gray hair. In addition to his wife and Stark, he currently has relationships with women in Los Angeles, St. Louis and Colorado. "People think there is one person out there who meets all of their needs. Having all of my partners meets all of my needs."

Polyamory is a throwback to the 1970s fad for "open marriage," and it has something in common with good old-fashioned "swinging," but with a twist: Polyamorists don't just have sex with others - they fall in love with them.

They thrill to the touch of new flesh, to sex with fresh people, but they hunt for more than physical sparks. They want to daydream about the perfect freckle on her cheek while drawing hearts and inscribing her name on a notebook; to lie in bed for hours, eyes glued to the ceiling, whispering to him on the phone; to talk with a white-jacketed woman at a department-store perfume counter about alluring scents and gift wrapping.

Romance's strongest intoxicants come only with new relationships, polyamorists say, and they aren't willing to jettison the feeling for the sake of monogamy.

Romantic electricity "keeps you young and it keeps you going," says Botinelly. "Why would I want to experience this only once?"

The movement, unsurprisingly, has its biggest following on the West Coast, but Colorado supports one of the larger polyamorous communities in the nation, with at least 500 people along the Front Range. The state also is home to Loving More, polyamory's magazine, a roughly decade-old quarterly now published out of a Broomfield tract home by its new editor, Robyn Trask.

Advocates like Trask say polyamory is natural, and monogamy is not. With about half of all marriages ending in divorce, and an even larger percentage of marriages experiencing episodes of infidelity, isn't it about time, they ask, for people to embrace new ways of building lasting romantic unions? What's wrong, they wonder, with increasing the quantity of loving relationships in the world?

Critics, though, denounce the practice as immoral, and in opposition to the laws of nature. And if courts succeed in granting government imprimaturs to same-sex marriages - thereby dismantling the definition of marriage as single men and women joining in matrimony - group marriages won't be far behind, they say.

Polyamory "places adult desire above the best interests of children," says Bill Maier, a child and family psychologist with Focus on the Family, a Colorado Springs Christian organization that pushes for generally conservative approaches to public policy. Maier calls polyamory a "stealth issue," one that is dormant now but will explode across society if courts fiddle with marriage.

"They are saying 'What I need, what I want.' It's all about me, me me," he says. "It's a very self-centered, narcissistic attitude. If you really care about what is best for society and children, then you are not going to advocate a radical social experiment which would have devastating impacts on the next generation."

Trask, 40, describes herself as "spiritual." Pagan runes, half-moons, leaping dolphins, Hindu gods and other artifacts from spirituality's vast archipelago decorate her house and her body. She teaches "tantric" sex, a melding of spiritual and sexual practices that its practitioners say heightens and prolongs sexual encounters. She says she's under contract to write a book of historical fiction called "The Last High Priestess."

Trask says she's always been polyamorous, although she only discovered the term and the movement about six years ago. As a teenager in Colorado, Trask never practiced monogamy. When she and her husband married, they agreed the relationship would be "open."

About six years ago, they first heard about polyamory. They got involved with the local community - which has several thriving websites and holds all manner of potlucks, camping trips, support groups, and so on - and soon began nurturing more outside-of-the-marriage relationships.

Stark, for example, fell into a deep love affair with Trask's husband. Soon, however, all three of them - Trask, her husband, and Stark - formed a "triad," wherein Stark would typically come to the house with her own kids, the children would play together, and the adults together would retire to the same bed upstairs.

Did his parents' lifestyle bother David Trask, 17, who also grew up with a younger brother and sister?

"It did, maybe once or twice, but other than that my attitude has been, 'If it makes them happy, why not?"' he says.

David Trask, who sports long, floppy bangs, plays a lot of "role-playing" games, and competes as a figure skater, describes himself as polyamorous.

"I've gone back and forth on it a lot," says Trask, who plans to attend Front Range Community College soon. "I probably will end up being poly. I know myself, and I know I care a lot about a lot of different people - more than society says you should."

David Trask, his siblings and his mother all live together in the butterscotch-colored house deep in subdivision-land, a massive, dark Chevy SUV in the driveway exhibiting a bumper sticker that reads, "Got Intimacy?"

Trask's husband, however, has moved to Washington state. The couple is separated, but not divorced. Trask says their marital detachment has nothing to do with polyamory.

Trask and Stark remain committed partners, although sex for now has drifted away from the relationship.

Polyamory might involve a lot of romance and sex with different people, but it also churns up storms of Shakespeare's "green-ey'd monster," the force that drove the general Othello to murder his wife: jealousy.

It's one thing to declare oneself polyamorous, and then commence the kissing. It's another thing entirely, though, to watch your partner do the same thing.

"I've seen a lot of people come into the polyamory community and say they're totally poly, they're committed, but as soon as their partner starts to date, then they're not polyamorous anymore," says Trask.

Polyamory champions say they learn from jealousy; that they wrestle with it, harness it, and get beyond the volatile energy.

Hogwash, says Helen Fisher, a Rutgers University anthropologist who published last year's "Why We Love: The Nature and Chemistry of Romantic Love."

"The problem, of course (with polyamory), is jealousy, and it's a huge problem," she says. "They try to say it's not a huge problem, but when you get to talking to them, you find out it is a big problem. ... It's nowhere near as easy as they try to represent."

"When you see your partner copulating with someone else, that's different than an argument about the toothpaste-tube cap."

Leanna Wolfe, an anthropolgy professor at Los Angeles Valley College who titled her sexology doctoral dissertation at the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco, "Jealousy and Transformation in Polyamorous Relationships," says the emotion is inescapable.

"I don't know that people actually reduce their jealousy," she says. The polyamorists "have mantras and potions," but what really makes jealousy less keen and painful is practice, she says. You let your partner have a date, fearing the man will be her "Prince Charming" and you'll lose her; that does not happen, and jealousy's intensity ratchets down a notch.

Still, she says, "At some level, when you're having sex with anyone who is not your spouse, you're playing with fire, and you don't know where it will go."

Nevertheless, Wolfe calls polyamory an "intelligent" approach to relationships.

"It's possible for (polyamorous relationships) to be a lot longer-term than monogamous relationships, because they are not expecting intensity from each other all the time," she says. "They presume they can't be everyone for every person, and they understand there will be other people for other places."

The United States has remained stuck on monogamy for too long, says Deborah Anapol, a northern California author and relationship expert who helped found Loving More magazine in 1994. Thanks in part to the growing popularity of movements like polyamory, she says, "People realize there are more options than monogamy. People have more awareness, and more of a sense of hope. They have a sense of hope that I'm in love with two people, and I don't have to choose one of them - I could maybe have both."

Sex, she says, grows more vibrant among those who practice polyamory. Beyond the potential for an upped volume of sex, the introduction of new partners to relationships also excites sexual chemistry. Some studies, she says, show that testosterone levels in men spike when their wives have sex with other men.

About two years ago, Jim Boegman, 40, an Aurora software designer, presented the idea of polyamory to his wife by having her read a story by the science fiction writer Robert Heinlein, who explored aspects of polyamory in some of his work. His novel "Stranger in a Strange Land" serves as a lodestone for polyamorists, many of whom are science fiction fans.

Boegman's wife's response was, "It makes sense," he says.

Since then Boegman, who stands 6 feet 8 inches, has a sharp salt-and-pepper beard and long gray-and-black hair that sweeps back from his forehead - the fan of Medieval re-enactments and sword fighting looks like one of the Three Musketeers - has had several relationships. In addition to his wife, he now has two girlfriends.

With so many commitments, it's a burden to organize and schedule everything. "It's very complicated," he says.

But worth the effort, Boegman says: "It's hard for me to imagine going back to a situation where I can only see one person."

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Polyamorists draw from a sprawling vocabulary of words revolving around sex and relationships. What's a quad? Four people in a committed relationship. A triad? Three people. Here's more, culled from an online polyamory glossary at www.polyamorysociety.org/glossary.html:

Bright-eyed Novice (BeN): a person who has just discovered polyamory

Polyamorist Braided Commitment Band: a band that is braided annually on a day set aside to celebrate the poly union

Compersion: the feeling of taking joy in your partner's excitement about a new love relationship.

Cowboy (or Cowgirl): a person who believes that alternative relationships are unstable, and tries to pull a partner into a monogamous relationship. Refers to "cutting a filly out of the herd."

New Relationship Energy: energy that flows between partners in a new relationship

Polyactivist: a person interested in taking action to counteract the political, social and religious enforcement of monogamy

Polyfidelity: a group in which all partners are primary to all other partners and sexual fidelity is to the group

Poly Mantra: communicate, communicate, communicate and then communicate some more

Primary Partner: a person of polyamorous orientation who is intimately involved in your life on a day-to-day basis

Swinging: recreational sexual activity, also called "sport sex," where partners or participants agree to have casual sex with one another

- Douglas Brown


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Colorado; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aphrodimania; homosexualagenda; marriage; nihilism; openmarriage; polyamory; polygamy; quad; swingers
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1 posted on 01/23/2005 8:03:30 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Hey, these are committed relationships -- how can we be judgmental? Shouldn't employers provide health benefits for all of these polyamorists' partners?


2 posted on 01/23/2005 8:06:40 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

"The quad broke up in 1999, when Vince Botinelly, 50, looked up an old flame, thereby straying outside of the de facto group marriage and having, in essence, an "affair.""

So Vince had an "affair" and cheated on all the other nitwits?

Only a Democrat can think like that.


3 posted on 01/23/2005 8:08:42 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: churchillbuff

There are some really screwed up people in this nation of ours.


4 posted on 01/23/2005 8:08:43 PM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: churchillbuff

Liberals' next social engineering project. That bourgeois institution, the family, has got to go!


5 posted on 01/23/2005 8:09:48 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: churchillbuff

This drivel took the place of coverage of the Colorado Right to Life March for Life which drew over 1,000 attendees. Although a lovely photo of our 100 white dove release appeared, there was no article - merely a 3 sentence description of the gathering.


6 posted on 01/23/2005 8:10:08 PM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: churchillbuff

"Advocates like Trask say polyamory is natural, and monogamy is not."

Yeah, AMONGST CHIMPANZEES!


7 posted on 01/23/2005 8:11:59 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: churchillbuff

I bet the kids in these communes, or whatever they're called, end up being really confused! Danny and Susie have three mommies and four daddies?


8 posted on 01/23/2005 8:12:45 PM PST by Theresawithanh (2005! My resolution: FReep even MORE this year!!!)
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To: churchillbuff

Impossible the homos said this would never happen if gay marriage were allowed.


9 posted on 01/23/2005 8:14:18 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: churchillbuff

"...group marriages won't be far behind, they say."

Nor group divorces. Imagine that one in court for 30 years!


10 posted on 01/23/2005 8:14:45 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: churchillbuff

Did I skim this wrong, or did all of the "polycouples" in this article include a divorce or seperation?


11 posted on 01/23/2005 8:15:02 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: churchillbuff

"Trask, 40, describes herself as "spiritual." Pagan runes, half-moons, leaping dolphins, Hindu gods and other artifacts from spirituality's vast archipelago decorate her house and her body."

Oh, now there's a shock!


12 posted on 01/23/2005 8:16:34 PM PST by MisterRepublican ("I must go. I must be elusive.")
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To: churchillbuff
What if all of the members of a cult joined together in one big group marriage? Would companies be required to provide health care coverage for all members even if only one of them was an employee ... or would that be a violation of church and state?

The weirdness is multiplying!

13 posted on 01/23/2005 8:25:55 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: churchillbuff

As clinton would say, it depends what you mean by "love." I'd venture to say that most of these people are in love with themselves, at best. I feel sorry for their kids.


14 posted on 01/23/2005 8:27:11 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: churchillbuff

I'm just curious about one thing. When did the Bible outlaw polygamy?


15 posted on 01/23/2005 8:36:34 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Theresawithanh
Did his parents' lifestyle bother David Trask, 17, who also grew up with a younger brother and sister? "It did, maybe once or twice, but other than that my attitude has been, 'If it makes them happy, why not?"' he says.

Man. These messed up kids! You can see them stuffing it all away. Hey David. Huffing makes some people happy. So does anorexia. Some people get a kick out of torturing animals.

16 posted on 01/23/2005 8:37:57 PM PST by formercalifornian (Daschle b-gone!)
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To: PJ-Comix; general_re; aculeus
Polyamorists fall in love with all they couple with

Looking for a certain passage: The Malloy, stockade, From Here to Eternity.

IMHO there's something to it.

17 posted on 01/23/2005 8:38:04 PM PST by dighton
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To: churchillbuff

This is the second thread today that I have had to double check to make sure it wasn't from Scrappleface.com---the other being the one about Harold Ford jr.'s Uncle in Tennessee having two different wives, houses, families,etc, WHILE being a State Senator!!

Now this, I think I must have Rip Van Winkle syndrome or something. This is NOT my country. My country had marriages that hopefully got to Golden and Silver Anniversarys. Where families had 2.2 kids, double car garage, picket fence, etc.

Either the world has gone mad, OR it is trying to drive me mad!!!


18 posted on 01/23/2005 8:43:54 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: churchillbuff

This is the second thread today that I have had to double check to make sure it wasn't from Scrappleface.com---the other being the one about Harold Ford jr.'s Uncle in Tennessee having two different wives, houses, families,etc, WHILE being a State Senator!!

Now this, I think I must have Rip Van Winkle syndrome or something. This is NOT my country. My country had marriages that hopefully got to Golden and Silver Anniversarys. Where families had 2.2 kids, double car garage, picket fence, etc.

Either the world has gone mad, OR it is trying to drive me mad!!!


19 posted on 01/23/2005 8:43:55 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: MisterRepublican

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.
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Matthew 25

The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1. "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
2. Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
3. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.
4. The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.
5. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6. "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7. "Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps.
8. The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9. " 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10. "But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11. "Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12. "But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13. "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.


20 posted on 01/23/2005 8:47:02 PM PST by Goldwater4ever (Voted early, voted often... for Bush)
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To: sheik yerbouty
I'm just curious about one thing. When did the Bible outlaw polygamy?

Right next to the bit that outlaws slavery.

;-)_~~

21 posted on 01/23/2005 8:54:40 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: MisterRepublican

Maybe not even them! :)


22 posted on 01/23/2005 8:56:21 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: churchillbuff

Poly-pathetic.


23 posted on 01/23/2005 9:00:48 PM PST by skr (Tagline pending)
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To: churchillbuff

Trask, 40, describes herself as "spiritual." Pagan runes, half-moons, leaping dolphins, Hindu gods and other artifacts from spirituality's vast archipelago decorate her house and her body."

My guess is, no matter how satisfied this woman is trying to portray herself, that she is desperately searching for something to truly satisfy her.

She is not going to find it in new age, Hindu philosophy, paganism or many different men's and women's beds no matter how much she looks.


24 posted on 01/23/2005 9:05:58 PM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: sheik yerbouty

God never intended polygamy. "For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (Genesis 2:24). Polygamy was never condoned by God, even though it was practiced in the Old Testament, as were many acts that were repulsive to God. The polygamous marriages that you see in the OT were examples of jealousy and strife, for us not to follow in those footsteps (Rachel, Leah, and Jacob). Just because God chose to not immediately destroy those who perverted His Word doesn't mean that he approved of their behavior. If you change the definition of marriage, you open up a whole new bag of worms. Gay marriage, polygamy, beastiality...well, some might argue that it's not unacceptable to love a horse.


25 posted on 01/23/2005 9:07:42 PM PST by greeneyes23
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To: formercalifornian

"David Trask, who sports long, floppy bangs, plays a lot of "role-playing" games, and competes as a figure skater, describes himself as polyamorous."

I dunno, he sounds a little messed up to me.


26 posted on 01/23/2005 9:21:30 PM PST by Theresawithanh (2005! My resolution: FReep even MORE this year!!!)
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To: Theresawithanh

Sadly I have a friend who practices this, and I was wondering why his fiance decided to pack them up and move to boulder.


27 posted on 01/23/2005 9:37:47 PM PST by Katana16j
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To: churchillbuff
Shouldn't employers provide health benefits for all of these polyamorists' partners?

With a lifestyle like that, they sure are going to need it.

28 posted on 01/23/2005 9:50:31 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: churchillbuff
"The problem, of course (with polyamory), is jealousy, and it's a huge problem,"

Why can't we all just get along?

29 posted on 01/23/2005 9:53:59 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: Txsleuth
Either the world has gone mad, OR it is trying to drive me mad!!!

You're limiting the possibilities artificially, Txsleuth! ... or you're trying to drive the world mad, or ...

...no, we probably don't want to go any further down this particular line of commentary..

Heh heh

30 posted on 01/23/2005 9:54:39 PM PST by IonImplantGuru (PhD, School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Goldwater4ever

If you knew the meaning of the parable of the ten virgins... But, then, one day you will.

Simply incredible.

But for you polywogs out there, Jesus said only a man with one wife could be a leader in church, for how can a man understand the needs of the church if he does not understand the needs of his family.


31 posted on 01/23/2005 9:56:24 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Txsleuth
Either the world has gone mad, OR it is trying to drive me mad!!!

Don't fall for the liberal media propaganda. Note the source of this article? A left wing Denver rag. Then check out the people quoted in the article such as:

The United States has remained stuck on monogamy for too long, says Deborah Anapol, a northern California author and relationship expert who helped found Loving More magazine in 1994.

Deborah Anapol is an out-to-carpet-lunch extremist.

It's the old story, if you can convince people that 10% of the U.S. population is gay, as Alfred Kinsey did, then you have Americans wondering about each other's sexuality. Kinsey's 1948 'report' has been thoroughly debunked due to his extremely skewed sampling, his methods, and the fact that he was a closet pervert himself. In fact, with statically objective researching the homosexual U.S. population, it is now believed to be around 1 to 2%. But Kinsey had an agenda, and he did a very good job of popularizing the idea of 1 out of 10 Americans being lurking homosexuals, with the help for decades of our all too willing media.

IOW, use search engines like Google and research a little before you buy into everything you read.:)

32 posted on 01/23/2005 9:58:42 PM PST by xJones
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To: churchillbuff

HA! just swingers stealing a page from the homosexuals.

no longer about no comitment sex, now its LOOOOOOOOOVE.

How can anyone be against LOOOOOOOOOOVE?

The sould be allowed to marry the family dog they LOOOOOOOOOVE.


AND they should be allowev to force government, employers, and insurance compaines to subsidise their LOOOOOOOOOOVE.


33 posted on 01/23/2005 9:58:49 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: dighton
Polyamorists fall in love with all they couple with

Fall in lust perhaps, but love? I fear they never will know it.

34 posted on 01/23/2005 10:06:28 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

“Male and female created He them,” and despite my years, I'll never untangle it either.


35 posted on 01/23/2005 10:24:42 PM PST by dighton
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To: MisterRepublican

They all voted for Kerry.

The tone of the article is written as though those who would criticize such relationships are abnormal.


36 posted on 01/23/2005 10:27:21 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: churchillbuff

Here it comes, the polygamy push. Next will be stories about how incestuous relationships are bliss, and how much Jo Bob Smiley loves his dog. A few months later we can expect to hear that there's no reason a person's sex life should end when they die. After that they'll have nothing left to go after but your kids. The final barriers to complete sexual barbarity are falling, so wake up and fight!


37 posted on 01/23/2005 11:36:43 PM PST by thoughtomator (Meet the new Abbas, same as the old Abbas)
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To: MisterRepublican

Meeting of one of the Colorado polyamory groups

38 posted on 01/24/2005 6:28:20 AM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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About two years ago, Jim Boegman, 40, an Aurora software designer...

I have a feeling this fellow used to be a neighbor.

39 posted on 01/24/2005 6:30:02 AM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: onef

ping


40 posted on 01/24/2005 6:41:31 AM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: greeneyes23
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." 2 Samuel 12:8.

In fact, it wasn't David's 7 wives that ticked JHVH off. That was fine and dandy. It wasn't until David covetted another mans wife that it was considered a "sin".

Moses had more than one wife. Solomon. Ezra. Esau. The list goes on.

41 posted on 01/24/2005 6:47:44 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Dead Corpse

True, but in just about every instance it caused trouble later.


42 posted on 01/24/2005 11:09:00 AM PST by formercalifornian (Daschle b-gone!)
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To: churchillbuff

They keep talking about "commitment." Commitment to what exactly? "You keep using that word. I do no' think it means what you think it means." -- Inigo Montoya


43 posted on 01/24/2005 11:10:41 AM PST by formercalifornian (Daschle b-gone!)
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To: churchillbuff
"None of my partners meets all of my needs," says Botinelly, a gaunt computer programmer with small oval glasses who looks like Woody Allen with long gray hair.

Gee, he sounds like a looker.

44 posted on 01/24/2005 11:14:59 AM PST by retrokitten
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To: churchillbuff
Some studies, she says, show that testosterone levels in men spike when their wives have sex with other men.

I'm not a man, but I would wager that's because they are getting ready to kick that guys ass.

45 posted on 01/24/2005 11:21:15 AM PST by retrokitten
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To: formercalifornian

Sometimes even one wife is trouble...I have a friend who is waiting for a comet to hit him..


46 posted on 01/24/2005 1:18:37 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: churchillbuff

Some tribal cultures do practice polyamory, but it's rarer than polygamy. Polygamy goes back to the time of the Old Testament patriarchs.


47 posted on 01/24/2005 1:34:02 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: sheik yerbouty
I'm just curious about one thing. When did the Bible outlaw polygamy?

It's outlawed explicitly in the New Testament (every man should have his own wife and vice versa or something like that). I don't think it's outlawed in the Old Testament since a lot of thos patriarchs had more than one wife. Does anyone know if Judaism specifically prohibits polygamy?

48 posted on 01/24/2005 1:39:25 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

A Rabbi Gershom issued a thousand year ban around the tenth century.


49 posted on 01/24/2005 5:03:08 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Lesforlife
This drivel took the place of coverage of the Colorado Right to Life March for Life which drew over 1,000 attendees. Although a lovely photo of our 100 white dove release appeared, there was no article - merely a 3 sentence description of the gathering.

You should lead an effort to get everyone one of the 1,000 attendees to call and write the paper. There are finally chinks appearing in the MSM's armor. Attack. Fight the bias. Given the CBS fiasco, the timing is perfect, and issues like this are perfect because the bias is so blatant, so undeniable and indefensible.

MM

50 posted on 01/24/2005 5:12:30 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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