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Electricity theft bleeds power grid dry, officials say
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Posted on 01/24/2005 1:13:36 PM PST by hsmomx3

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To: Professional Engineer
That was a right nice picture, Pro-Eng.

Westinghouse? Or perhaps I-T-E.

61 posted on 01/24/2005 4:04:43 PM PST by woofer
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To: Professional Engineer

That pic in #39 looks like some of the switch gear in the old boilerhouse I used to work in.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


62 posted on 01/24/2005 4:37:18 PM PST by alfa6 (Now if I can get the link thingy to work, ah well)
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To: Professional Engineer

SCREWDRIVER ALERT!


63 posted on 01/24/2005 4:54:02 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: unlearner
Do the Tesla coils use a single, constant source of alternating current?
You could get one to 'light off' with a couple car batterys, if you wound the primary with heavier wire (literally, copper strapping) ... drag one of the battery contacts repeatedly across a jagged 'contact' (to allow the built-up magnetic field to collapse) and you'd be set ...

The *secret* here is: e = L * di/dt with the secondary resonant (literally: a tuned RF circuit).

64 posted on 01/24/2005 5:22:04 PM PST by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: ßuddaßudd

Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day, but give him a case of dynamite and soon the village will be showered with mud and seaweed and unidentifiable chunks of fish.


65 posted on 01/24/2005 6:18:41 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy is not what it used to be.)
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To: woofer
Westinghouse? Or perhaps I-T-E.

It's Frank Adams gear. That piece has been installed and engergized since 1924.

66 posted on 01/24/2005 6:44:33 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I've been divided by zero.)
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To: alfa6

A company I used to work for had a small piece like this displayed in the lobby. I'd been hoping to find some still in operation someplace. A project I'm involved in now has this one in place, but wants to keep it for their own display after the entire building is rewired. RATS, I wanted it.


67 posted on 01/24/2005 6:47:20 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I've been divided by zero.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
SCREWDRIVER ALERT!

It was surn near PE alert. Shortly after I took that picture, an access panel on a piece of hardware "crashed" open. I about had a heart attack at that instant.

68 posted on 01/24/2005 6:49:05 PM PST by Professional Engineer (I've been divided by zero.)
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To: unlearner
Do the Tesla coils use a single, constant source of alternating current?

The neon transformer I used is powered by standard 115 VAC, 60 Hz line current. The output was 15,000 VAC. That transformer is lethal by itself. It will generate a nice "Jacob's ladder" with a couple pieces of stiff 12 gauge wire on the output terminals.

You can build a safer Tesla coil than the one I built or the large economy size done by RadioAstronomer. There is a book titled Electronic Gadgets for the Evil Genius that includes project plans, parts lists and approximate costs. I bought a copy of the book to play with the anti-gravity lifters. The book projects are easily implemented by any electronics hobbyist. You might have to place a mail or internet order to get some of the odd parts.

One of the Tesla coil projects runs off the 115 VAC line and produces a 250,000 volts. It can produce a 12 inch spark. The Tesla coil operates at a frequency around 500 KHz for this model. Nominal cost is $100. The driving transformer product 6500 volts at 23 milliamps. About 1/3 of the voltage of my neon transformer and much lower amperage.

If you have more $$$ to spend, there is a Tesla coil project in the book that will generate a 30 inch arc. Duty cycle is limited to about 10 seconds on. It produces substantial amounts of ozone. The project plans warn that a Faraday cage may be required for safe operation.

69 posted on 01/24/2005 7:02:29 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: HangThemHigh

I assume you have seen what happens when you give several cases of dynamite to the Oregeon DOT along with on large dead whale ?


70 posted on 01/24/2005 8:08:46 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: _Jim

It appeared to me, from one of the theory websites, Tesla coils use capacitors to create a secondary, phase-shifted AC source. It looked like there was an interference pattern that causes the effect.

Is this correct?


71 posted on 01/25/2005 1:19:41 AM PST by unlearner
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To: RadioAstronomer
I built a 7 foot high 10 million volt tesla coil. :-)

Neighbors thought UFOs had landed.

What did the FCC think?

72 posted on 01/25/2005 1:41:07 AM PST by wideminded
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To: DannyTN
Yep, Insulting the girl's country isn't exactly out of the pages of Andrew Carnegie.

I think you might mean Dale Carnegie.

73 posted on 01/25/2005 1:48:56 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Myrddin
Thanks for the info.

I am not really that interested in building one, as much as I would like to understand the math and science behind how they work.

I read a book or two about Tesla a long time ago, but I have not seen much in the way of explaining the theories of his inventions (mainly this one). Perhaps that is due to them mainly being for the cool factor. I don't suppose Tesla coils have practical applications. (?)
74 posted on 01/25/2005 1:51:23 AM PST by unlearner
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To: RadioAstronomer

PICTURES ! We need PICTURES !!!


75 posted on 01/25/2005 1:56:19 AM PST by Khurkris (That sound you hear coming from over the horizon...thats me laughing.)
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To: Myrddin
Oh, one other thing. What are "anti-gravity lifters"?

I am sure I could get a million pages from google, but since you have first-hand experience, you will probably have an answer that is not just hype.

I have read some things mentioning anti-gravity in conjunction with Tesla projects, but it seems that most of what's out there either is trying to exploit the common fascination with Tesla, or worse, brings out the pseudoscience fringe.
76 posted on 01/25/2005 1:58:52 AM PST by unlearner
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To: bowzer313

My guess is a lack of the rule of law. Corruption is pretty much a way of life in Mexico and very few are willing to invest in a system where laws can be bypassed for a few pesos slipped to the right politician/LEO.


77 posted on 01/25/2005 2:04:23 AM PST by Proud_texan
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To: Professional Engineer
That piece has been installed and engergized since 1924.

There's still a lot of F A gear in use. They made good stuff.

The oldest gear I have seen is the Main Electrical Board on the USS Texas battleship in Houston. Built in 1911 by the J B Cutter Electric Co. of Phila. PA, the predecessor entity that became the ITE Circuit Breaker Company, then ITE Imperial, then Gould ITE, Gould, Gould Brown-Boveri, BBC Brown Boveri and is now part of the ABB Group.

The oldest switchgear and breakers I have worked on were made in 1929, ITE type LX 600A 600V 3 Pole. They're quite interesting. Built on slate, "hot-front" (meaning that all metal parts were energized), pull-down operator, carbon block arcing assemblies. Main contacts made of copper leaves, main contact pressure adjusted by removing or adding leaves. Some are the elevator feeders at a downtown building in Minneapolis, two were still in use at Ameren UE's Bagnel Dam in the Ozarks.

Sometime around 1920 the Reverse Current Trip devices were no longer supplied on one or two legs as the Power System became more reliable, but prior to that time, you got both overcurrent and reverse current protection on polyphase breakers.

78 posted on 01/25/2005 3:03:39 AM PST by woofer
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To: Professional Engineer
I'd been hoping to find some still in operation someplace.

I'll keep you in mind when I upgrade Goodyear in Lincoln. They have a 2300V and 480V combined control board. If my outfit gets the contract, I'll have to dismantle it. It's the original Westinghouse.

Many moons ago Northern States Power hauled all of the slate panels from the St. Anthony Falls Dam powerhouse to the dump and tortured me for weeks before telling me the truth. It was a treasure trove of pre-1920 Electrical Control technology.

The stuff is still out there, I see it every now and again.

79 posted on 01/25/2005 3:09:26 AM PST by woofer
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To: woofer
It was a treasure trove of pre-1920 Electrical Control technology.

How about this elevator controller. That's a 40HP motor I'm leaning on, with open cable sheaves, etc. Notice the dates on the control drawing.


80 posted on 01/25/2005 5:29:40 AM PST by Professional Engineer (The number exactly halfway between +1 and -1 is not "OH".)
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