Posted on 01/25/2005 6:53:10 AM PST by wkdaysoff
There`s actually a section in the Quaran that says that in the case of a country that prevents the spread of Islam, a muslim has the right to wage Jihad against that country, and muslims not suprisingly in fact do that using that reason.
What my argument is, is what country is stopping the spread of Islam? If anything, the USA and Israel are HELPING the spread of Islam. How? They are democratic societies. Thus, muslims are not waging Jihad against these countries for that reason. So what is the true reason?
The true reason is they are in fact waging Jihad because these countries are not 100% Islam. That is the sole reason, yet they always use that "oppressing Islam" bullsh&t.
I don't care a straw about what's written in the Quran, but I'm wondering why US let Saudi Arabia to implement Wahabism here. Do you know that in the past 15 years or so, SA spent the astounding sum of $87 billion to built mosques, Islamic centers and pay mullahs, in order to indoctrinate people in the Western countries?
If the muslims think they have the right to wage jihad in our country, we have the right to break their backs, if they do that
Their natural state is to be either "upset" or "offended". Screw them.
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I use to have a link to a "Dear Abby" type of answer section in an Islamic newpaper, I`m not kidding, and one muslim wrote in saying he felt uneasy about declaring Jihad against the USA because he lived in the USA, and do you know what answer he got? This Islamic "Dear Abby" told him to feel no guilt, that it is written in the Quaran and that he should feel glad about giving his life for the Jihad. In other words Dear Abby was telling him to blow himself up if it kills non muslims. This is encouraged. Daamn, I wish I had that link. I`m looking for it now. They actually encourage muslims to kill anyone who is not muslim. I`ll probably get trolls now who will say I`m making it up, but I swear I`m not.
One thing I liked about the series so far is that they are not politically correct. They apparently don't proceed from the playbook that you can't portray Muslims or blacks or women in a bad light ever. Therefore, the series is one that I can trust. I hate it when the formulae are interspersed into our dramas and turn them into inanities. It then becomes a boring and unrealistic dogmatic screed from the "Party".
With 24, the really fanatical nature of the Turkish couple is manifested even as they turn against their son's girlfreind and then their son, himself.
That they would portray that ambitious black girl in the way that they do at the counterterrorist center is just amazing. A really true to life backstabbing government employee! but the writers were not afraid to have her be mean and vicious even though black. I had held out hope that she might ultimately play a heroic role, but last night it was revealed that she is not only ambitous, she is a terrorist spy.
The writers also nail the Defense secretary's son: a cool-aid drinker who is the prototypical lefty Michael Moore follower. Sure they abound in reality, but when, if ever before did you see such a character in a drama. [Usually, you would gett he Tim Mcveigh type as the only possible terrorist--or the ever popular recast o fthe Aryan Nazis when the typecast the east germans.] It goes to the extent that 'interrogation techniques' like sensory deprivation are used against the kid as he is allowed to demonstrate just how addled his brain and politics actually are --that he wont reveal what he knows about the plot to kidnap his dad and sister--at least who he tipped off about his ocming there. This is a object lesson from the headlines--gonzales hearings about "torture" or not permitted to be used in desperate straits when lives are on the line. only it is nice to see a portrayal from our point of view for a change.
Again, the writers did not follow politically correct handbooks in dealing with the female head of the counter terrorism center. She has spliced motives interferring with good command and she is distracted by her drugged daughter and leaves her post at crucial times. They also reveal that the people at the center really trust jack and not just the rank she has over him. All this honesty creates a context where you can have a real nifty heroic girl like Chloe emerge. If this was a formula piece, Chloe would not make sense.
Ditto, for the son of the Turkish couple, Boosheer. I feel he may break out and cross to the other side--not really sure. That is only possible in the context created by the authentic portrayal of the fanatical parents and their colleagues.
I feel that a lot of courageous and thoughtful writing goes on in this series---that's why I am confident in where it is heading--a place that I cannot possibly predict. For TV, that's saying an awful lot.
One thing I liked about the series so far is that they are not politically correct. They apparently don't proceed from the playbook that you can't portray Muslims or blacks or women in a bad light ever. Therefore, the series is one that I can trust. I hate it when the formulae are interspersed into our dramas and turn them into inanities. It then becomes a boring and unrealistic dogmatic screed from the "Party".
With 24, the really fanatical nature of the Turkish couple is manifested even as they turn against their son's girlfreind and then their son, himself.
That they would portray that ambitious black girl in the way that they do at the counterterrorist center is just amazing. A really true to life backstabbing government employee! but the writers were not afraid to have her be mean and vicious even though black. I had held out hope that she might ultimately play a heroic role, but last night it was revealed that she is not only ambitous, she is a terrorist spy.
The writers also nail the Defense secretary's son: a cool-aid drinker who is the prototypical lefty Michael Moore follower. Sure they abound in reality, but when, if ever before did you see such a character in a drama. [Usually, you would gett he Tim Mcveigh type as the only possible terrorist--or the ever popular recast o fthe Aryan Nazis when the typecast the east germans.] It goes to the extent that 'interrogation techniques' like sensory deprivation are used against the kid as he is allowed to demonstrate just how addled his brain and politics actually are --that he wont reveal what he knows about the plot to kidnap his dad and sister--at least who he tipped off about his ocming there. This is a object lesson from the headlines--gonzales hearings about "torture" or not permitted to be used in desperate straits when lives are on the line. only it is nice to see a portrayal from our point of view for a change.
Again, the writers did not follow politically correct handbooks in dealing with the female head of the counter terrorism center. She has spliced motives interferring with good command and she is distracted by her drugged daughter and leaves her post at crucial times. They also reveal that the people at the center really trust jack and not just the rank she has over him. All this honesty creates a context where you can have a real nifty heroic girl like Chloe emerge. If this was a formula piece, Chloe would not make sense.
Ditto, for the son of the Turkish couple, Boosheer. I feel he may break out and cross to the other side--not really sure. That is only possible in the context created by the authentic portrayal of the fanatical parents and their colleagues.
I feel that a lot of courageous and thoughtful writing goes on in this series---that's why I am confident in where it is heading--a place that I cannot possibly predict. For TV, that's saying an awful lot.
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I posted these comments earlier. I repeat them for the sake of discussion.
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My acquaintance with "24" dates only from this season, but I have caught every episode. I heard about it on the football game that Sunday when they had the double episodes Sunday and Monday nights. WOW!
One thing I liked about the series so far is that they are not politically correct. They apparently don't proceed from the playbook that you can't portray Muslims or blacks or women in a bad light ever. Therefore, the series is one that I can trust. I hate it when the formulae are interspersed into our dramas and turn them into inanities. It then becomes a boring and unrealistic dogmatic screed from the "Party".
With 24, the really fanatical nature of the Turkish couple is manifested even as they turn against their son's girlfreind and then their son, himself.
That they would portray that ambitious black girl in the way that they do at the counterterrorist center is just amazing. A really true to life backstabbing government employee! but the writers were not afraid to have her be mean and vicious even though black. I had held out hope that she might ultimately play a heroic role, but last night it was revealed that she is not only ambitous, she is a terrorist spy.
The writers also nail the Defense secretary's son: a cool-aid drinker who is the prototypical lefty Michael Moore follower. Sure they abound in reality, but when, if ever before did you see such a character in a drama. [Usually, you would gett he Tim Mcveigh type as the only possible terrorist--or the ever popular recast o fthe Aryan Nazis when the typecast the east germans.] It goes to the extent that 'interrogation techniques' like sensory deprivation are used against the kid as he is allowed to demonstrate just how addled his brain and politics actually are --that he wont reveal what he knows about the plot to kidnap his dad and sister--at least who he tipped off about his ocming there. This is a object lesson from the headlines--gonzales hearings about "torture" or not permitted to be used in desperate straits when lives are on the line. only it is nice to see a portrayal from our point of view for a change.
Again, the writers did not follow politically correct handbooks in dealing with the female head of the counter terrorism center. She has spliced motives interferring with good command and she is distracted by her drugged daughter and leaves her post at crucial times. They also reveal that the people at the center really trust jack and not just the rank she has over him. All this honesty creates a context where you can have a real nifty heroic girl like Chloe emerge. If this was a formula piece, Chloe would not make sense.
Ditto, for the son of the Turkish couple, Boosheer. I feel he may break out and cross to the other side--not really sure. That is only possible in the context created by the authentic portrayal of the fanatical parents and their colleagues.
I feel that a lot of courageous and thoughtful writing goes on in this series---that's why I am confident in where it is heading--a place that I cannot possibly predict. For TV, that's saying an awful lot.
To h*ll with these people. What AREN'T they upset about? I'm upset about a lot of things, including a lot of what their BS "religion" does, but I don't see them giving a d**n about it. Why should I care if they're upset?
I think the producers of 24 may continue to go against conventional, politically correct story lines. Because, like the Exec's at FOXNEWS they may have figured out that it can turn out to be very profitable.
My guess(hope) is that we'll find that Gellar's son is a member of a lunatic fringe leftist enviornmental group that we will find out is being supported by middle eastern terrorists groups in an effeort to undermine U.S. security.
How would that be for going against the grain of the current "Hollywood Establishment?"
I'll make a prediction. 24, which up to now had been a critics darling, if they continue the storyline as it is now, will have their most successful season in terms of viewership/ Ratings. Which is really what's most important.
But mark my words, they will have their LEAST successful season with regards to critical acclaim as awarded by the New York and Hollywood Entertainment Pundits.
Is it just me or does Chloe seems to look...umm...somewhat less disheveled and dorky than last season? Her appearance seems to be different this season. Better makeup to sexy her up? Or maybe I'm just getting use to those pouty sideways glances of hers.
I believe that the turkish son beroosh will do something important and that we have not seen the last of Chloe. I like what you predicted about the connection with the sec def's son. When I heard him say something like " dont give me that Michael Moore Bullspit philosophy", I was alerted that here was a different kind of show. They have not failed to live up to that introduction.
Does any fine Freeper have the first two episodes of '24' for this season? I have eps 3-6 I would be happy to burn on to a DVD in exchange! Gracias!
On a side note just think that most of those actors go through an entire series wearing one set of clothes.
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