Posted on 01/26/2005 4:43:08 PM PST by scripter
WOW! What an eye opener! My kids are 15 - 22 years old. They didn't read these!
Unbelievable!!
Excellent point!
Hi mad gay?
Where?
Just a little humor! He's not back. I'll bet he still monitors these threads for GLSEN.
It succeeds through reinforcement.
Is that the reason GLSEN has been able to "stay off the radar" of the automated news clipping services?
By avoiding the words "GLSEN", "GSA", or other trip wire words, it becomes difficult to meta tag search their activities.
BS! If this were true then “these people” would have developed intersex disorder. You don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Can you tell me what “hormone” imbalances cause other paraphilic disorders? What causes sexual attraction to children, animals or relatives, does your “theory” support the causes for these paraphilias? NO? Thought so.
Whoops, meant to quote you here.
True. Testosterone levels have been linked to sexual desire. BUT NOT TO THE OBJECT OF THAT DESIRE!
Other than that, hormone levels have nothing to do with SAD. You can't tell a corpse had SAD by testing the hormeone levels
For some homosexual individuals there must be some sort of chemical/hormonal imbalance.
Never once has one been found. There is no hormonal/chemical imbalance that's been shown to cause the practice of homosexual behavior
I am not disputing that for many individuals it is a CHOICE.
But for some there has to be some sort of imbalance.
Now you're finally getting closer. It is an imbalance but it is a mental imbalance. SAD is primarily caused by mental trauma brought on by three things. 1) Being sexually (or in some cases merely physically or mentally) abused. 2) Having an absent or insufficient relationship with one's father. 3) Relentless teasing by one's peers during the formative years.
For every 'homosexual' it is a chosen behavior. With the exception of such diseases as Turets syndrome all behavior is chosen
I'm going to make an analogy. (depression)
Just because someone is born someway, doesn't make it right or excusable.
Correct. Just as an alcoholic has no right to remain drunk. However in both these cases there is at least a gentic predisposition to the behavior (both caused by chemical imbalances). In SAD there is NO GENETIC PREDISPOSITION
A better analogy is someone who is deathly afraid of dogs because they were once bitten. They choose to avoid all dogs and choose to remain afraid of dogs even though this phobia is overcomable.
It's not politically correct to say that homosexuality is curable.
But it is true. And if it is true who cares what the leftist 'politically correct' police think.
I know of no ongoing research.
Check out NARTH's website. They have a ton of ongoing research into the curing of SAD.
Is that the reason GLSEN has been able to "stay off the radar" of the automated news clipping services?
It's an educated guess. You'll remember that madg was the staunchest supporter of GLSEN.
And of course GLSEN has been working to soften their image over the years - by changing their name from the Gay Lesbian Straight Teachers Network to the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network ( education network sounds warm and fuzzy ), and by developing innocent sounding programs such as the 'No Name Calling Week.'
Remember that Kevin Jennings is a master at framing issues:
"Safety
A speech by a homosexual activist in 1995 revealed that he had used "safety" to delude Gov. Weld and the state legislature into adopting the homosexual agenda for the schools of Massachusetts. The speech was titled Winning the Culture War and was given by Kevin Jennings, Executive Director of the "Gay and Lesbian and Straight Teachers’ Network," at the "Human Rights Campaign Fund Leadership Conference" on March 5, 1995."If the Radical Right can succeed in portraying us as preying on children, we will lose. Their language ‘promoting homosexuality’ is one example is laced with subtle and not-so-subtle innuendo that we are ‘after their kids.’ We must learn from the abortion struggle, where the clever claiming of the term ‘pro-life’ allowed those who opposed abortion on demand to frame the issue to their advantage, to make sure that we do not allow ourselves to be painted into a corner before the debate even begins.
"In Massachusetts the effective reframing of this issue was the key to the success of the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth. We immediately seized upon the opponent’s calling card safety and explained how homophobia represents a threat to students’ safety by creating a climate where violence, name-calling, health problems, and suicide are common. Titling our report "Making Schools Safe for Gay and Lesbian Youth," we automatically threw our opponents onto the defensive and stole their best line of attack. This framing short-circuited their arguments and left them back-pedaling from day one.
"Finding the effective frame for your community is the key to victory. It must be linked to universal values that everyone in the community has in common.
"In Massachusetts, no one could speak up against our frame and say, ‘Why, yes, I do think students should kill themselves’: this allowed us to set the terms for the debate.
"In Massachusetts, we made creating an environment where youth could speak out our number one priority. We know that, confronted with real-live stories of youth who had suffered from homophobia, our opponents would have to attack people who had been victimized once, which put them in a bully position from which it would be hard to emerge looking good. More importantly, we made sure these youth met with elected officials so that, the next time these officials had to vote on something, there would be a specific face and story attached to the issue. We wanted them to have an actual kid in mind when they had to cast their votes. We won the vote in the Senate 33-7 as a result..."
By avoiding the words "GLSEN", "GSA", or other trip wire words, it becomes difficult to meta tag search their activities.
Check your FReepmail in a few minutes.
To hold the rational that homosexuality is always a choice, you also have to believe that heterosexuals are born with the same choice and propensity towards either sex. You believe that we are born ambisexual and that our environment is responsible for cultivating our feminine or masculine traits. Equally our environment is responsible for our attractions to either sex.
The Feminist movement tried to brainwash us into thinking that it was nuture and not nature that accounted for our gender characteristics and dispositions. That girls grew up to be housewives because we gave them dolls to play with. You've probably heard the news Professor Summers. He presented a theory (actually a fact) that there may be (are) some innate gender differences that account for the lack of women in Science.
Men and women are innately different.
I don’t refute that for many homosexuals it IS a choice. I also don’t refute that by creating an environment that embraces homosexuality we create homosexuals. Look at the man-hating culture that has been promoted for the past 30 years. Then look at the numbers, there are far more Lesbians than Gay men.
I mentioned Estrogen and Testosterone for the purpose of providing a general example of the varying levels of hormones respective to one's sex.
I believe that homosexuality is a chemical and hormonal imbalance and can be cured.
I also have a friend Nathan who is gay. I’ve known Nathan since I was 5 and I swear to you that from the time we were younger he was always feminine. He never fit in with “the boys” preferring girls instead. Nathan didn’t come out until after high school (but we all knew he was gay).
Some people are just born GAY. Not all, not every gay individual, but I promise you that some people are just GAY.
Please see my next post. That's funny, because Nathan didn't have a father present in his life.
But I have another story
I have another story-
My mother’s friend has a son (we’ll call him Josh although this is not his read name). From the time Josh was 3, he liked to dress up in women’s clothes. His father and mother used to joke that he was “gay”, but thought he would outgrow it.
It clearly bothered his parents, but they dismissed it rationalizing that he was a child and children tend to play at all sorts of things. While they gently nudged him towards sports, Josh preferred girl playmates and girl games.
They stopped joking about Josh being gay once he went through puberty. It was clear that he was GAY. And now Josh is in his 20s, and he is GAY.
Thankyou for the NARTH website, I'm reading it now!
please see post 72 also.
Homosexuals recruit.... DUH!! Everyone with two neurons firing knows this, this isn't a secret.. some of them are at least honest about it... others do it on the sly using such themes as "tolerance" and "diversity".
"Adolescents have enough problems in establishing gender roles and this will increase these problems."
I have said this all along. And don't kid yourselves! The gay lobby KNOWS it, it's why they want it taught in schools.
Yes, and it is also why Homosexuals should not be adopting. We need to go back to heterosexual married couple adoption, Only!
I think it is child abuse.
It absolutely is!!
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