HAWKING WRONG AGAIN, RESEARCHER TELLS MARS CONFERENCE (re: wormhole time machine model.

The Press Box ^ | Wed Aug 25 2004 | Belinda Drizdale

[windcliff]

ping

[onedoug]

All as fascinating as totally untestable.

Thanks.

[SunkenCiv]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3897989.stm

http://www.pressbox.com/detailed/Science/HAWKING_WRONG_AGAIN_RESEARCHER_TELLS_MARS_CONFERENCE_17016.html
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/17016.html
http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200408/1092093367.html

alas, this is a dead link, and isn’t on the Wayback:
http://www.marssociety.org/docs/sched_04.pdf

[SunkenCiv]

Marshall Barnes Hawking

Google

[SunkenCiv]

his blog (I guess):

http://www.science20.com/profile/marshall_barnes

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.google.com/search?q=Marshall+Barnes+site:science20.com

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from Wed Aug 25 2004.

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[LomanBill]

When time is observed to be merely a derivative function of state change, then the whole notion of “time travel” becomes mere fiction.

[onedoug]

Thanks!

[skinkinthegrass]

We can go only forward in time at this point, and even that, very slowly.
We are looking for funding to complete the othe half of the project.

ask Obahbah, He has squandered a Hugh Glo-bull warming project.

[skinkinthegrass]

thanks, for the ping.

[SunkenCiv]

My pleasure, nice GIF. :’)

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks LB.

[BroJoeK]

"My brother and I have been working on a time machine for years. We actually have half of it working. We can go only forward in time at this point,"

I have devices here which see backwards in time, indeed am looking at myself now, from thirty years ago -- what a handsome fellow! ;-)

[Condor51]

Thanks for th e ((( ping ))).

Its interesting how a science article *only* five years old can become so obsolete so soon. (or later if yer going backwards)

'Time Travel' into the future is a proven fact - as every GPS device factors 'time travel' in. The satellite clocks up in orbit go 'a tad faster'(technical term) than here on earth and have to be constantly adjusted, otherwise aunt Milly would drive into a lake instead of showing up at your house on Christmas. (no jokes, please)

However, as to going Backwards, worm hole or not, that's still a problem. There's the Grandfather Paradox that can't yet be 'solved'.

And not that it matters but I'll still take Hawking over some guys who read comic books, watch Space Ghost reruns and dress in funny costumes. aka, The Mars Society

BTW, Hawking's Black Hole 'mistake' was on the 'Information Paradox'. He admitted he was 'wrong'. [Yes, there's a lot of Paradox's in physics]

[LomanBill]

>>as every GPS device factors ‘time travel’ in.

That’s not ‘time travel’ - it’s an adjustment due to the relativistic differences in the localized rate of state-change.

[LomanBill]

>>it’s an adjustment due to

better said as “it’s an adjustment to compensate for”

[SunkenCiv]

:’) My pleasure.

[Condor51]

*** That’s not ‘time travel’ - it’s an adjustment due to the relativistic differences in the localized rate of state-change. ***

Yes it is due to relativity. It is also technically time traveling. Relativity and Time Travel are linked at the hip. But if you want to argue with Physicist Dr. Michio Kakua about that, be my guest. (I prefer discussing Schrödinger's cat myself).

As Dr Kakua explains it technically the satellites are time traveling. Just like our astronauts who went to the moon and came back to earth 10^-8 seconds 'younger' than us who stayed right here. So they 'time traveled'.

[LomanBill]

>>So they ‘time traveled’.

No, for them the progression of state change was simply slower due to the larger inertia created by the increased Energy/Mass within their accelerated inertial frame.

When time is observed to be a derivative function of the localized rate of state change, the whole notion of “time travel” becomes nothing but fiction.