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Study shows link between homosexuality and pedophilia
http://www.theinterim.com/2002/sept/02study.html ^

Posted on 01/29/2005 4:48:38 PM PST by bikepacker67

A new study by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey and the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council recently confirmed what police and psychiatrists have known for decades: a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia.

The report entitled Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, shows that while homosexual men make up less than three per cent of the adult male population, they commit a disproportionate number (one third or more) of child sexual molestations. Dailey's report is being sent to parents, youth groups, school administrators, Catholic bishops, and religious organizations.

Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse presents a number of controversial findings. The first is that a significant percentage of child sexual abuse victims are boys. The second finding of Dailey's report contradicts the "inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey" that homosexuals comprise at least 10 per cent of the population. Based upon a study of three large data sets, the General Social Survey, the National Health and Social Life Survey, and the U.S. Census, "a recent study in demography estimates the number of exclusive male homosexuals in the general population at 2.5 per cent, and the number of exclusive lesbians at 1.4 per cent," writes Dailey.

The FRC study also demonstrates, with a wealth of anecdotal evidence, that pedophile themes can be found throughout "mainstream" gay literature, including fiction anthologies such as: The Penguin Book on International Gay Writing, The Gay Canon: What Every Gay Man Should Read, and A History of Gay Literature:The Male Tradition. Interestingly, the late gay Beat poet Allen Ginsberg was a pedophile, and wrote articles for publications associated with the North American Man-Boy Love Association. "I reread Collected Poems and Ginsberg's two subsequent collections, surprised by the pattern of reference to anal intercourse and to pederasty that emerged," writes Dailey.

According to Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, pedophiles have long existed as a subculture within the gay rights movement. Dailey quotes David Thorstad, a homosexual activist and founding member of NAMBLA, to demonstrate that by 1985, pedophilia had gained acceptance within the homosexual movement, as it was in that year that NAMBLA was admitted as a member in New York's council of Lesbian and Gay Organizations and the International Gay Association. In the words of Jim Kepner, at one time the curator of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles: "A point I've been trying to make is that if we reject the boylovers in our midst today, we'd better stop waving the banner of the ancient Greeks, of Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Horatio Alger, and Shakespeare. We'd better stop claiming them as part of our history unless we are broadening our concept of what it means to be gay."

The link between homosexuality and pedophilia is rejected by many mainstream research groups, which have even begun to view pedophilia in value-neutral terms. The American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia from its list of sexual perversions in 1994, while in 1999 the American Psychological Association published a report, "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," which "claimed child sexual abuse could be harmless and beneficial," according to a 1999 WorldNetDaily column by noted researcher Dr. Judith Reisman.

"None of this is news in the sense that this information (the link between pedophilia and homosexuality) was fundamentally proven a long time ago," Canada Family Action head Brian Rushfeldt told The Interim, "but I'm glad to see the FRC reiterating it, especially at a time when the Catholic church is struggling with the pedophile priest issue."

Rushfeldt stresses that pedophiles come in both homosexual and heterosexual forms, but there are differences between the two that need to be understood. "Do you treat the cocaine addict the same way you treat the alcoholic? If a priest abuses young boys, that's a homosexual act, and we have to recognize it as such if we want to help him."

Asked why the link exists in the first place, Rushfeldt, a former addiction counsellor, says part of the answer lies in the availability of sex. "Sex addicts generally need instant gratification. They have a very low threshold for delaying gratification, and it's much easier to manipulate a young boy into having sex than it is to manipulate another man." He adds that homosexual pedophilia is influenced by other factors as well.

"There's a distinct quality about male homosexuality that gay men tend to be attracted to young, good-looking guys. Another part of pedophilia's appeal is the power the pedophile feels in manipulating the boy. It's a combination of things."


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Though it also has a very definable genetic component, we don't "tolerate" and "celebrate" alcoholism, so why this?
1 posted on 01/29/2005 4:48:38 PM PST by bikepacker67
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To: bikepacker67

bump


2 posted on 01/29/2005 4:51:36 PM PST by bubman
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To: bikepacker67

amazing how this less than 3% is able to set the agenda for the other 93% or so (assuming 4% lesbians).


3 posted on 01/29/2005 4:52:04 PM PST by seppel
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To: bikepacker67
...If a priest abuses young boys, that's a homosexual act, and we have to recognize it as such if we want to help him...

That needs to be said out loud and unabashedly.

4 posted on 01/29/2005 4:55:16 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: bikepacker67
A new study by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey and the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council ...

Let me guess... the Family Research Council is widely regarded in scientific circles as a paragon of objective research, right? No agenda there, no sir....

5 posted on 01/29/2005 4:55:30 PM PST by Grut
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To: bikepacker67

Kinsey was an idiot. He claimed 10% of the population are gay.


6 posted on 01/29/2005 4:55:59 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: seppel

Spell it L*A*W*Y*E*R.


7 posted on 01/29/2005 4:56:09 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bikepacker67

Homosexuality, in many of its aspects, is indistinguishable from same-sex pedophilia. The only factor in which these behaviors show significant difference is in the power aspect of the relationship, which almost always lies with the physically stronger of the individuals involved. Adults are for most part physically much stronger than children of adolescent or pre-adolescent development.


8 posted on 01/29/2005 4:56:20 PM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: alloysteel

Any male molestor who molests boys is a homosexual, one and the same.


9 posted on 01/29/2005 4:57:21 PM PST by moog
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To: bikepacker67

What is also amazing is that anyone would be surprised that someone who engages in what is (IMO) aberrant sexual behavior (Homosexuality) just might be predisposed to other aberrant sexual behavior (Pedophilia). Wouldn't/Doesn't surprise me.


10 posted on 01/29/2005 4:58:27 PM PST by drt1
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To: bikepacker67

Too few people care. It's shocking to say, but too few people care. Guard your children.


11 posted on 01/29/2005 4:58:29 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: bikepacker67

Who'da thunk it ? bump


12 posted on 01/29/2005 4:58:53 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: bikepacker67

This study will see the light of day......in Antartica


13 posted on 01/29/2005 5:00:13 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Grut

Didn't you read the "mainstream" reports on the priest abuse? No one could admit CLEAR examples of gay pedophilia were real. They have the gall to claim that a man who rapes a boy is still heterosexual.


14 posted on 01/29/2005 5:00:54 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: bikepacker67

2002 article, wonder why there hasn't been more discussion of this study results?


15 posted on 01/29/2005 5:02:35 PM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Raycpa

Iffin ya cain't breed, ya gotta recruit...


16 posted on 01/29/2005 5:04:32 PM PST by null and void (FR's Crack Troops to the rescue!)
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To: bikepacker67

If a priest abuses young boys, that's a homosexual act, and we have to recognize it as such if we want to help him."

A major proportion of priest sexual offenses have been perpetrated on older teenage boys, not pubescent or prepubertal boys. Plain homosexual behavior.


17 posted on 01/29/2005 5:05:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: bikepacker67

Even more evidence to support the Boy Scouts' policy on Scoutmasters.

It also has bearing on adoption.

And that is why it will be ignored and derided.


18 posted on 01/29/2005 5:05:50 PM PST by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: bikepacker67
Study shows link between homosexuality and pedophilia

Well, what a surprise!

19 posted on 01/29/2005 5:06:33 PM PST by Allan
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To: Allan
Study shows link between homosexuality and pedophilia

Well... DUH!
20 posted on 01/29/2005 5:08:16 PM PST by broadsword ("It's a Religion of Peace, and we'll KILL YOU to prove it!")
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To: bikepacker67
"If a priest abuses young boys, that's a homosexual act, and we have to recognize it as such if we want to help him."

Him who? The boy deserves help; the priest (or any pedophile) deserves a horsewhipping and a castration.

21 posted on 01/29/2005 5:09:08 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: RAY

Ahhh come on this does not move any cause forwward. Eventually there will be a backlash and watch out when it happens.

We can all sit here and say that Homosexuality is not acceptable to us as individuals but link it with pedophillia (sp)??????????

This, somwaht like the spongebob case, makes the right wing look like nutcases.


22 posted on 01/29/2005 5:09:18 PM PST by JNL
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To: drt1
WOW do you sound like a Red Stater!

Just think about all of that "nuance shi+" that you're missing when you make sweeping generalizations like these.

Aberrant indeed!

23 posted on 01/29/2005 5:10:44 PM PST by skimbell
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To: bikepacker67
Though it also has a very definable genetic component, we don't "tolerate" and "celebrate" alcoholism, so why this?

We don't?


24 posted on 01/29/2005 5:13:11 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: skimbell
I hope that is sarcasm. If not, I'm entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is that Homosexuality is aberrant sexual behavior and generally has been considered such until relatively recently when it was able to be successful in using the Civil Rights model as the vehicle for mainstreaming.
26 posted on 01/29/2005 5:15:05 PM PST by drt1
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Yes, for too long this has been seen as abuse by a Catholic, not abuse by a homosexual.


27 posted on 01/29/2005 5:17:39 PM PST by carola
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To: GeorgiaConservative
According to CNN's exit polls, 4% of Americans are homosexuals...

Which is still an exaggerated number. Even the plaintiffs in Lawrence v. Texas admitted that less than 3% of the population is homosexual. The number rises slightly if a loose definition of a homosexual is used (such as counting anyone who maybe did something once in high school as a homosexual/bisexual) a but the actual number of homosexuals/bisexuals in the U.S. is at most around 3%.

28 posted on 01/29/2005 5:20:10 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (President Bush has a plan to deal with illegal immigration, Tancredo would rather complain about it.)
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To: drt1
Oh it was sarcasm.

I nearly bit my tongue off as I planted it in my cheek.

29 posted on 01/29/2005 5:20:16 PM PST by skimbell
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To: carola

No it is abuse by a child molestor. Homosexuality plays little or no part in a child molestors choice of victim.


30 posted on 01/29/2005 5:20:17 PM PST by JNL
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To: GeorgiaConservative

Lesbians gay?

Most lesbians I've seen/met are thoroughly unhappy, grim people.

Let's reclaim the word gay - it's only three letters, but it's a start!


31 posted on 01/29/2005 5:21:39 PM PST by relictele (so there)
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To: bikepacker67
"Asked why the link exists in the first place [between male homosexuality and pedophilia]..."

Because once you accept one perversion into your life, accepting another one creates no new moral conflicts.

--Boot Hill

32 posted on 01/29/2005 5:21:47 PM PST by Boot Hill (How do you verbalize a noun?)
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To: moog
I got into a lengthy argument with someone once on that point. I said that if an adult male has sex with an adult male or a male child, he is still a homosexual. The other person said there was a difference because if it's sex with a male child it's "pedophilia."
33 posted on 01/29/2005 5:23:55 PM PST by Enterprise ("Dance with the Devil by the Pale Moonlight" - Islam compels you!)
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To: yooper
" The boy deserves help; the priest (or any pedophile) deserves a horsewhipping and a castration."

When imprisoned a pedophile has an approximate life expectancy of 3 years if exposed to the general prison population.

Read that about 10 years ago, not sure how factual the study was but sounds about right.

34 posted on 01/29/2005 5:24:25 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: JNL

The homosexual child molesters took advantage of the Catholic Church. They saw a target of opportunity to become teachers of young boys. The seminaries allowed it to happen and the Church sought to pretend the problem did not exist.


35 posted on 01/29/2005 5:26:15 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: JNL

Did you read the article?


36 posted on 01/29/2005 5:26:17 PM PST by Eaker ("I am a Scientist ..................... and that was fast for me.")
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To: Enterprise
That's right!

In one case the guy is simply a queer. In the other instance he's a queer pedophile. Big difference there!

37 posted on 01/29/2005 5:26:59 PM PST by skimbell
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To: Grut

No more of an agenda than the homosexual rights degenerates.


38 posted on 01/29/2005 5:29:37 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Grut
Let me guess... the Family Research Council is widely regarded in scientific circles as a paragon of objective research, right? No agenda there, no sir....

If you were to visit the website of the Family Research Council, you would discover that they do indeed have an "agenda." But what of it? They make no secret of their point of view, and they do not pretend to be anything but an advocacy group.

The same cannot always be said of the "scientific circles" you mention. Too much of what passes for objective research in academia (especially in the social sciences) is little more than left-wing advocacy masquerading as science.

So, do you have any evidence to offer that the study by Daily et al. is inaccurate or flawed?
39 posted on 01/29/2005 5:30:03 PM PST by Logophile
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To: JNL
Homosexuality plays little or no part in a child molestors choice of victim.

This statement indicates your woeful ignorance of the subject.

40 posted on 01/29/2005 5:30:26 PM PST by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - 18k gold Pajama Patrol Badges are here!)
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To: bikepacker67

bttt


41 posted on 01/29/2005 5:31:44 PM PST by aberaussie
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To: bikepacker67
A new study by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey and the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council recently confirmed what police and psychiatrists have known for decades: a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia.

Now tell me your lie with a straight face again ACLU as to why it's wrong for youth organizations to say no to allowing male homosexuals be leading young boys.

Can't eh?

I thought so.

42 posted on 01/29/2005 5:31:45 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: relictele

I agree. I stopped using gay to describe them. Homosexuals.


43 posted on 01/29/2005 5:32:12 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Sgt_Schultze
...If a priest abuses young boys, that's a homosexual act, and we have to recognize it as such if we want to help him...

Help him?

You should shoot him for molesting a child.

44 posted on 01/29/2005 5:32:33 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: drt1
"The link between homosexuality and pedophilia is rejected by many mainstream research groups, which have even begun to view pedophilia in value-neutral terms. The American Psychiatric Association removed pedophilia from its list of sexual perversions in 1994, while in 1999 the American Psychological Association published a report, "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," which "claimed child sexual abuse could be harmless and beneficial," according to a 1999 WorldNetDaily column by noted researcher Dr. Judith Reisman."

They decided pedophilia isn't a sexual perversion??? Who makes these decisions?
45 posted on 01/29/2005 5:34:38 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: rdl6989
Kinsey was an idiot. He claimed 10% of the population are gay.

Its pretty clear that Kinsey was, on the minimum, bisexual, if not gay.

He did have homosexual relationships.

Its only natural that he would inflate the numbers.

Note: No other group has ever been able to duplicate his 10% results, or have a study proving 10% of the populace was gay.

46 posted on 01/29/2005 5:34:41 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: bikepacker67
"we don't 'tolerate' and 'celebrate' alcoholism"

We don't? Have you ever been to Mardi Gras?

47 posted on 01/29/2005 5:34:48 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: skimbell

Indiana University researcher Alfred Kinsey was the father of sexual research and the sexual revolution. In fact all his "research" was nothing but homosexual and pedophilia rapes that were documented. He was a raging homosexual and pedophilia that traveled the nation to rape litte boys and even got a German Nazi to help him out in his "research" as well by doing the same thing to little boys in Germany. Kinsey is closely linked to Margeret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, who are both ugenicists, that is they believe in purity of race by selective breeding. Meaning they are racist, anti-Christian hedonists who love nothing more than to lead our children into sexual immorality and destruction which ultimately leads into the breakdown of traditional American families and western civilization as we know it. Dr. Kinsey, Indiana University, IU president Herman B. Wells, should all be discredited and be shut down immediately. Indiana University, which I attended and graduated from, does nothing but indoctrinate systematically their students into socialism, human secularism, sexual immorality, communism and postmodernism. They do nothing but undermine the teachings of their family and lead them astray like ox to the slaughter. Indiana University must be shut down immediately to save our children, our state of Indiana and our nation. It is a big time player in American liberalism. Who will stand united with me in this most urgent fight????!!!!!


48 posted on 01/29/2005 5:35:35 PM PST by theworkersarefew
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To: Eaker

Yes and I've read many articles in much the same vein. A couple of points (my side)

1. I do not agree with homosexuality never have never will
2. I do not and will never accept the idea of gay marriage.

But... What people do in their own bedrooms is their own bussiness. Niether the government nor some statistic twisting organization is going to change my opinion.

Child Molestors, in all forms, do not molest children for sexual gratification. Like a rapist it's a power issue. I've always found it humorous that castration always comes up as a deterant when it obvious that castrating any one of these bastards (excuse my language) would not solve their problems.

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that they molest children that bird don't fly. Molestors come in all shapes and sizes and sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with it.


49 posted on 01/29/2005 5:37:55 PM PST by JNL
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To: bikepacker67

"a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia."

No kidding.... who would have thought it?

/ya right


50 posted on 01/29/2005 5:39:58 PM PST by JSteff
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