Posted on 01/31/2005 1:02:52 PM PST by killthedonkey
A close friend of Hossam Armanious and relatives of the family murdered in New Jersey have revealed the following:
Shortly after the murders, members of the Egyptian consulate went to visit the family to encourage them to keep quiet. And many family members have obeyed, saying nothing to reporters or anyone else. However, two family members and another Copt viewed the bodies at the funeral home. One of these eyewitnesses said that he clearly saw that the family members had not suffered “stab wounds to the throat,” as the prosecutor’s report states, but rather the following:
A. Both adults, Hossam and Amal, had a horizontal slit across the throat. Below the slit, on the left, right and middle of the throat were three holes, big enough so that one could place a finger in each hole. According to the eyewitness, it was as if the assailant(s) took a knife and turned it repeatedly in a circular fashion, as if to screw holes into the victims’ necks.
B. The two young girls, Sylvia (15) and Monica (8), also had a horizontal slits in their throats, along with two holes bored below the slits, one on the right and one on the left sides of their necks. The holes were similar to those on their parents’ necks.
C. The eyewitness said although the bodies of the victims were all covered, he was able to see the arms of the little girl Monica. Although the tattoo of the cross inside Monica’s wrist was not defaced, he saw that her wrists were cut. He was not able to see the wrists of the other victims to see if the crosses on their wrists were defaced.
D. Though the family wants to reserve judgment until the results of the case are released, they did say that the way the four family members were bound and gagged and the way their throats were slit with holes carved is similar to executions that are shown on al-Jazeera. The American public is not aware of this because the details of the executions are not often described in news accounts.
Amal Garas’s father said that (contrary to many news reports and CAIR’s press release) none of the family’s jewelry was taken, and that Amal owned some quite expensive pieces that were not touched. At the time of her murder, Amal was wearing a ring worth $3,500 that was not taken.
Garas’s father also has been speaking with the detectives and the prosecutor on the case. He was told that the results of the autopsy would not be ready until March 14. However, an inside source in one of New Jersey’s police departments said that the results of autopsy and toxicology reports are known within 48 hours after the bodies are discovered. This source has worked on such cases for many years. He said that the department knows the results, but as in similar cases intends to wait a month or two before they release them to the family. During that time long reports are written to cross the t’s and dot the i’s for the family, but the final results are not much different from what is discovered within the first 48 hours. So all of the press reports about waiting for the prosecutor’s findings on the autopsies are nonsense. Though the investigators are looking at Sylvia’s computer and other evidence, the findings on the autopsy for the most part are already in.
A reporter who is closely following this case said that this delay was because the police and prosecutor want this case to go away. They want things to cool down. That’s why they set the autopsy date as March 14, two months after the murders.
It is still possible that this wasn’t a Muslim hate crime. The problem is that investigators have not taken the necessary steps to ensure a fair review of the evidence. There are too many holes here, too many inconsistencies in the official story. Too many obvious tasks have not been done: an Armanious family friend with whom I spoke, who gave me names and motives of possible perpetrators, is still waiting for a call from investigators.
Investigators seem to be following dead ends more assiduously than live leads. A Muslim has told police in Jersey City that there is an Islamic custom in Egypt: a life for a life. He said that is what may have happened in this case. Some news reports are referring to this when they say they’re looking into the family’s activities in Egypt before they came to the U.S. in 1997. Said prosecutor Edward DeFazio, “It could be that it's a vendetta that might go back to the old country. We’re going to try to look into that.” However, those close to Hossam Armanious maintain that he didn’t have any enemies, and certainly never took anyone’s life in Egypt or here; nor did anyone in his family.
This background information may illuminate why this investigation has been so curiously lacking:
There are a number of clergy in the Coptic community who are in bed with the Egyptian government. Some even act as agents for the Mubarak regime. Coptic clergy who won’t cooperate are often exiled into the Egyptian desert, where they live a very difficult life.
Many Coptic women have been kidnapped by Muslims. Some of these women are being kidnapped with the help of the compromised clergy. The priest hears a girl’s confession and then passes on information he hears there to Muslim kidnappers, who decide which girls they want to take. Many of these women are forced to marry Muslim men and are never seen again.
A number of Muslims have infiltrated the Coptic community, pretending to be Christians in order to gather information. Jersey City has a large number of Copts. Some of this infiltration has taken place there; some of the Coptic clergy there are also compromised. However, most Copts trust their clergy wholeheartedly, making it easy for the moles to operate.
What do those compromised clergymen want? The answer most likely has to do with a fact revealed by a number of other sources: the Egyptian government is pressuring the police and prosecutor to make this case disappear. Where are the mainstream media reporters contacting the Egyptian consulate to find out whether or not this is true?
This may be a DUer just trying to get some attention.
If so, he's gonna have a lot when the FBI starts tracking.
I gotta put it down.
Later..........
Yeah baby !
I knew the man behind the curtain would have more on this !
TC got some threat....post 132 this thread has data and up the page is the text of the threat.
Thanks for peekin at the info for me...
Your sentiments seem to go along with this great verse:
None survive when freedom fails:
Good men rot in filthy jails,
While those who cried, "Appease! Appease!"
Are hanged by those they tried to please.
As do mine. I have no use for the appeasers or cowards, and even less for the Islamonazi ENABLERS.
Yeah theres more to that than we'll know .....but I can guess !
Well Texas...I'm not sure how I got on your ping list, but I'd just as soon stay there. This Georgia Peach ain't afraid of some lil ole ping list...lol.
bttt
All you have to do is send the full e-mail and header information (*full headers*) over to the following e-mail address --
abuse@yahoo.com
In fact, any domain name should be able to accept "abuse@domain.com" That's a common address.
It's probably someone who is simply "talking big" and nothing else. That's what most of this kind of talk is all about (whether it's Muslim stuff or some other topic). There's a lot of "talking big" always going on. It mostly never comes to anything. But, you should always follow up on it.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Hey TC, can you put me ON your PING list, please?
Someone had my "mysteries of islam" post pulled.
What are the odds that the e-mail threats came from a Freeper, one of the muslim cadre?
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:18:35 -0800 (PST)
From: NoName
Reply-To: akramer1492@yahoo.com
That's interesting about the number in the e-mail address name. They've picked a significant date for Muslims. 1492 was the year that Spain finally got rid of the last of the Muslims. Also, it was the year for the expulsion of the Jews from that country. And also, what we learned in school -- Columbus sailed for the New World (the world that is kicking their butts now).
Ole "Ali" must still be upset about 1492. It must be their "Remember the Alamo" call... in regards to the "wicked West."
Very interesting...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Well, I would hope "Ole Ali" is monitoring this and reading it all. Maybe he'll get a proper education and learn more about his so-called prophet who received messages from Satan and whom he calls Allah (AKA "Satan").
The first thing Ole Ali should know is that the God of the Universe is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who says there is no other God beside Himself.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the God of the Jews and the Christians. It's no wonder that your so-called god is against the God of the Jews and Christians. It says in the Bible that Satan is a liar and a deceiver and a destroyer. It says Satan is against God. It says that Satan's first fault was his pride.
Doesn't it seem obvious that all these characteristics perfectly fit the false and evil religion of Islam. And isn't it perfectly clear that as Islam is against the Jews and Christians -- it's like your father, Satan -- against the same.
There's no question in anyone's mind who really does know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob -- that Allah is one and the same as Satan.
The false prophet, Mohammed, will be found in the Lake of Fire, along with the Antichrist and Satan, as we see in Revelation.
Christians and Jews (and other interested parties) will continually point out the lies and deception of Islam. There exists no truth in Islam or the so-called prophet, Mohammed.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Anytime you get up my way let me know. I'll give you the insider's tour of the best and most important parts of the city, starting with GZ. I'd be my pleasure.
My thoughts exactly, broadsword.
If we could poll the dead, I wonder how many appeasers we'd find among those who died on 9-11?
Very happy to, FD!
Thank you.
How much do I need to send them?
Do I send them the properties and the source code, also, like I did to the FBI?
Well, Jim has the e-mail, but not the source code.
He'll know if it came from the same IP address. I'll send it to him.
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