Posted on 01/31/2005 1:02:52 PM PST by killthedonkey
A close friend of Hossam Armanious and relatives of the family murdered in New Jersey have revealed the following:
Shortly after the murders, members of the Egyptian consulate went to visit the family to encourage them to keep quiet. And many family members have obeyed, saying nothing to reporters or anyone else. However, two family members and another Copt viewed the bodies at the funeral home. One of these eyewitnesses said that he clearly saw that the family members had not suffered “stab wounds to the throat,” as the prosecutor’s report states, but rather the following:
A. Both adults, Hossam and Amal, had a horizontal slit across the throat. Below the slit, on the left, right and middle of the throat were three holes, big enough so that one could place a finger in each hole. According to the eyewitness, it was as if the assailant(s) took a knife and turned it repeatedly in a circular fashion, as if to screw holes into the victims’ necks.
B. The two young girls, Sylvia (15) and Monica (8), also had a horizontal slits in their throats, along with two holes bored below the slits, one on the right and one on the left sides of their necks. The holes were similar to those on their parents’ necks.
C. The eyewitness said although the bodies of the victims were all covered, he was able to see the arms of the little girl Monica. Although the tattoo of the cross inside Monica’s wrist was not defaced, he saw that her wrists were cut. He was not able to see the wrists of the other victims to see if the crosses on their wrists were defaced.
D. Though the family wants to reserve judgment until the results of the case are released, they did say that the way the four family members were bound and gagged and the way their throats were slit with holes carved is similar to executions that are shown on al-Jazeera. The American public is not aware of this because the details of the executions are not often described in news accounts.
Amal Garas’s father said that (contrary to many news reports and CAIR’s press release) none of the family’s jewelry was taken, and that Amal owned some quite expensive pieces that were not touched. At the time of her murder, Amal was wearing a ring worth $3,500 that was not taken.
Garas’s father also has been speaking with the detectives and the prosecutor on the case. He was told that the results of the autopsy would not be ready until March 14. However, an inside source in one of New Jersey’s police departments said that the results of autopsy and toxicology reports are known within 48 hours after the bodies are discovered. This source has worked on such cases for many years. He said that the department knows the results, but as in similar cases intends to wait a month or two before they release them to the family. During that time long reports are written to cross the t’s and dot the i’s for the family, but the final results are not much different from what is discovered within the first 48 hours. So all of the press reports about waiting for the prosecutor’s findings on the autopsies are nonsense. Though the investigators are looking at Sylvia’s computer and other evidence, the findings on the autopsy for the most part are already in.
A reporter who is closely following this case said that this delay was because the police and prosecutor want this case to go away. They want things to cool down. That’s why they set the autopsy date as March 14, two months after the murders.
It is still possible that this wasn’t a Muslim hate crime. The problem is that investigators have not taken the necessary steps to ensure a fair review of the evidence. There are too many holes here, too many inconsistencies in the official story. Too many obvious tasks have not been done: an Armanious family friend with whom I spoke, who gave me names and motives of possible perpetrators, is still waiting for a call from investigators.
Investigators seem to be following dead ends more assiduously than live leads. A Muslim has told police in Jersey City that there is an Islamic custom in Egypt: a life for a life. He said that is what may have happened in this case. Some news reports are referring to this when they say they’re looking into the family’s activities in Egypt before they came to the U.S. in 1997. Said prosecutor Edward DeFazio, “It could be that it's a vendetta that might go back to the old country. We’re going to try to look into that.” However, those close to Hossam Armanious maintain that he didn’t have any enemies, and certainly never took anyone’s life in Egypt or here; nor did anyone in his family.
This background information may illuminate why this investigation has been so curiously lacking:
There are a number of clergy in the Coptic community who are in bed with the Egyptian government. Some even act as agents for the Mubarak regime. Coptic clergy who won’t cooperate are often exiled into the Egyptian desert, where they live a very difficult life.
Many Coptic women have been kidnapped by Muslims. Some of these women are being kidnapped with the help of the compromised clergy. The priest hears a girl’s confession and then passes on information he hears there to Muslim kidnappers, who decide which girls they want to take. Many of these women are forced to marry Muslim men and are never seen again.
A number of Muslims have infiltrated the Coptic community, pretending to be Christians in order to gather information. Jersey City has a large number of Copts. Some of this infiltration has taken place there; some of the Coptic clergy there are also compromised. However, most Copts trust their clergy wholeheartedly, making it easy for the moles to operate.
What do those compromised clergymen want? The answer most likely has to do with a fact revealed by a number of other sources: the Egyptian government is pressuring the police and prosecutor to make this case disappear. Where are the mainstream media reporters contacting the Egyptian consulate to find out whether or not this is true?
I'm not even sure I would classify islam as a "religion". It's a cult, whose "prophet" was a bloodthirsty pedophile, that masquerades as a "great religion". Not being willing to tolerate the intolerable is not being bigoted; it's self preservation.
I will continue to pray for the innocent victims of islam, including muslims who have seen the light.
Worldviews can often be wrong.
You just want to show off how you can shoot a dime size group at a hundred yards!
I'll e-mail Yahoo with all the information I have.
Thanks for the advice!
I am a lady and fear only God.
Keep me on your list. We must resist all efforts to intimidate us; and stand tall. We are Americans, after all and this is OUR country. As long as I draw breath, I will fight all efforts to turn America into a Caliphate that adheres to Sha'riah.
NEVER!
At this point, nothing they do would surprise me.
And its kinda strange, I haven't seen or heard from the geek or others much on these threads lately. Maybe I've just been busy, but is that an apt observation?
Didn't Gillette merge with Occam's Razors 100 years ago?
Well, Mubarak regime is pretty secular - even if many Muslims in Egypt are not. Mubarak is seen by many Copts as a protector - because the alternative could be worse. I can see where in a one party state, some priests can find themselves in trouble over politics (but not religion).
I've been over to the San Jacinto Monument. It's been a while though. Maybe about 40 years or so. Ya gotta know all about that, coming from Texas and all...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Are there any houses for sale in your neighborhood? I think we'd like it there.
" Any truth to these allegations?"
Haven't a clue, but I'll inquire. I suppose it wouldn't surprise me if it is true.
Thank you, dear lady.
It's been a long time since I feared anything but my God.
It's nice to know there are others.
Especially since Texas history is one of my favorite subjects.
We've been eaten by that liberal cancer just like the rest of the country, and we're just a shadow of our former selves.
But deep down in every Texan the coals are banked, waiting for that spark to ignite the flames in our bellies we knew as a Republic.
They're spending their time on the Free Iran threads. Although some of those Persians are fairly reasonable (except for their love of the Shah) they seem to provide a focal point for the muslim apologists among us.
Was that about Mo ?
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Yeah, probably a recent, or new, convert.
No, I don't think of my belief in my Lord and Saviour as simply a "worldview", and I don't think Islam is a religion.
Islam is a devil worshipping cult that is an abomination to all other religions of the world.
Doesn't your belief in Jesus Christ as savior of the world affect how you look at the world, what you think your purpose is in the world, and how you think you should treat others?
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