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Bordering on treason
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Friday, February 4, 2005 | Dimitri Vassilaros

Posted on 02/04/2005 12:36:08 PM PST by Willie Green

Before President George W. Bush slogs on with his virtual amnesty plan for illegal aliens, he should speak to two Republicans who voted for him in 2000, but not in 2004.

Mr. Bush clearly cares more about homeland security for Iraq than for the United States. Count the troops defending Iraq's borders and then count the ones defending ours.

Dubya would rather spend his political capital on untold millions of foreigners sneaking across our borders illegally than on 300 million Americans living here legally.

For all the president knows, the illegals could include terrorists who found it easier walking in from Mexico than through airport security.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; dhs; drivel; homelandsecurity; illegalimmigration; immigration; invasion; statesrights
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1 posted on 02/04/2005 12:36:08 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: gubamyster

ping


2 posted on 02/04/2005 12:36:31 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Count the troops defending Iraq's borders and then count the ones defending ours.

Isn't it currently illegal to use the US Military for border patrol?

3 posted on 02/04/2005 12:39:10 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Willie Green

The president is being downright unfair, because there are thousands of potential immigrants waiting to come into the country legally, but his total focus is on helping the business community obtain cheap labor.


4 posted on 02/04/2005 12:39:12 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Willie Green
Obviously some of you didn't pay any attention to his speech:

"America's immigration system is also outdated — unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. We should not be content with laws that punish hardworking people who want only to provide for their families, and deny businesses willing workers, and invite chaos at our border. It is time for an immigration policy that permits temporary guest workers to fill jobs Americans will not take, that rejects amnesty, that tells us who is entering and leaving our country, and that closes the border to drug dealers and terrorists.

5 posted on 02/04/2005 12:39:49 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Phantom Lord

posse comitatus act


6 posted on 02/04/2005 12:41:37 PM PST by JoeV1 (The Democrats-The unlawful and corrupt leading the uneducated and blind)
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To: JoeV1

So basically the author is suggesting that POTUS break the law.


7 posted on 02/04/2005 12:43:28 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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So basically the author is suggesting that POTUS break the law.

It's worth a try. He sure as heck isn't ENFORCING the law.

8 posted on 02/04/2005 12:45:57 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Isn't it currently illegal to use the US Military for border patrol?

Not when there is a systematic invasion by a foreign power.

9 posted on 02/04/2005 12:46:30 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: PhiKapMom

Bush's insistence that his guest worker scheme is not an "amnesty" is Orwellian. Bush's plan allows those already in the country illegally to remain here, as long as they're performing jobs Americans "won't do." That is an amnesty in the normal sense of the word--a decision not to prosecute someone for past offenses. Just because the guest workers aren't automatically given citizenship doesn't mean this isn't an amnesty; Bush certainly isn't advocating deporting or otherwise punishing the illegal immigrants who broke out laws to come here.


10 posted on 02/04/2005 12:47:43 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Phantom Lord
Article IV, Section. 4, US Constitution:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

11 posted on 02/04/2005 12:48:24 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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"...fill jobs Americans will not take."

If there are jobs available that Americans "will not take", then we have no business paying welfare to any able bodied individual.

Kick out that crutch and put those deadbeats to work.

12 posted on 02/04/2005 12:51:06 PM PST by Publius Scipio
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Being conservatives, and supposedly ones who support strict constructionism when applying the Constitution, I would venture to say that the word "invasion" as meant by the Founding Fathers is a MILITARY invasion for the purpose of overthrowing the government or conquering territory.

Or do we now want to adopt a "living, breathing document" stance?

13 posted on 02/04/2005 12:51:26 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Willie Green

"Treason" is the right word. Perhaps not technically treason per the Constitution, failure to defend the borders is certainly an impeachable offense.


14 posted on 02/04/2005 12:51:32 PM PST by MRMEAN
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To: Phantom Lord
Isn't it currently illegal to use the US Military for border patrol?

C'mon, one needn't nor never let facts get in the way of an ardent Buchananista!

15 posted on 02/04/2005 12:57:20 PM PST by Steven W.
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Isn't it currently illegal to use the US Military for border patrol?
No, as a matter of fact it is a basic function of the federal government to protect our borders. What is illegal according to Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 is for the federal government to use federal forces against OUR citizens.

Regards,
GE
16 posted on 02/04/2005 12:58:15 PM PST by GrandEagle
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>>>>>>>Being conservatives, and supposedly ones who support strict constructionism when applying the Constitution, I would venture to say that the word "invasion" as meant by the Founding Fathers is a MILITARY invasion for the purpose of overthrowing the government or conquering territory.

>>>>>>>>Or do we now want to adopt a "living, breathing document

There is no Constitutional limit on the President's authority to station troops on the border. If the Posse Commitatus Act prohibits such an action, all Bush has to do is ask the Republican Congress to repeal or amend the statute. Bush hasn't done this because he doesn't think illegal immigration is a problem.

17 posted on 02/04/2005 12:59:13 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: PhiKapMom
Obviously some of you didn't pay any attention to his speech:

One quickly observes with these types, not only do they not pay attention, they shun any mention of anything that differs from their pre-conceived ideals. In this case you'll have to excuse Willie Green. Not only is he off his usual meds of late, the unemployment rate dropping to 5.2% is a real downer to his usual posting slate of job cut announcements.

18 posted on 02/04/2005 12:59:21 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: Phantom Lord
the word "invasion" as meant by the Founding Fathers is a MILITARY invasion for the purpose of overthrowing the government or conquering territory.

The Constitution merely says "invasion"...
But the Mexican Government clearly condones this invasion
( Mexico Provides Guide to Illegal Immigration)
and there is no assurance that this isn't a potential terrorist invasion staged for the purposes you mentioned.

19 posted on 02/04/2005 1:00:17 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
I agree and I think a wall such as Isreal is building should be built along the northern and southern borders.

But to point to the word "invasion" in the Constitution and claim the founding fathers were talking about immigrants crossing our borders is assinine.

20 posted on 02/04/2005 1:02:08 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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