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Motorcycle Riders May be Allowed to Ride Without a Helmet
WTOP News ^ | February 4, 2005 | unk.

Posted on 02/04/2005 8:21:40 PM PST by FoxInSocks

RICHMOND, Va. - It's been a tough day for highway safety advocates at the Virginia General Assembly.

The House Militia, Police and Public Safety Committee endorsed legislation allowing motorcyclists 21 and older to ride without a helmet. The vote was 12-to-7.

The panel also rejected a series of bills to continue the use of photo monitoring systems at dangerous intersections in six northern Virginia localities and Virginia Beach. Those pilot programs allow police to use cameras to catch drivers who run red lights.

The programs are scheduled to expire July 1.

Another bill rejected by the committee would have expanded photo-red statewide.

The motorcycle helmet bill will be up for a vote on the House floor early next week. Similar bills have failed on close votes on the House floor three years in a row.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: cistswearhelmets; motorcycles; nannystate; redlightcameras; seriousmotorcyl; vageneralassembly
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To: killjoy
" If helmets are 'dangerous' please explain to me why they are used for motorcycle racing?"

Racing is riding on the limit of traction, some riders skill and mechanical limit. Riders know there's a good possiblity to crash. Rider's are not allowed to do that on roads. Folks like me ride on the road and follow the first rule, keep your vehicle under control at all times. It's not all that hard to duck and refrain from crashing.

141 posted on 02/05/2005 8:44:42 AM PST by spunkets
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To: FoxInSocks

And the result? If you live in Virginia, be prepared to watch your car/motorcycle insurance premiums climb.


142 posted on 02/05/2005 8:48:32 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I am not saying that helmets are evil per se, for some riders they work just fine. Just not for me. I only want to retain the right to choose what safety equipment is appropriate for me.

I put about 11,000 miles on my bike in 2004. All of them with a helmet. I am very aware of the drawbacks to wearing them. They get very hot in the tropics. I am also very aware of the benefits, having been in a crash where the helmet kept my head in one piece.

I fully support someones right to decide for themselves if they want to wear a helmet or not. If, for example, someone thinks they are too hot, fine. That is good enough for me. Go enjoy yourself. The problem I have is people who need to invent facts to justify their decision. The argument is very similar to someone who might say, "I don't wear a seatbelt becuase it prevents me from being thrown from the car in the case of a crash. If I am thrown from the car, there is less chance of me being hurt."

Being thrown from the car has nothing to do with it. Personally, I wear a seatbelt about 50% of the time. I do it because it is more comfortable with out. It is that simple. I would respect non-helmet wearing riders a lot more if they would just admit the same.

The problem I have with groups like ABATE is the lies they spread in order to further their agenda. The most dangerous time for a biker is when they are first learning. It is when they need the helmet the most. How many have been killed because they believed the anti-helmet propaganda and thought it was somehow more dangerous if a rider is wearing one?

143 posted on 02/05/2005 8:53:44 AM PST by killjoy (War is not the answer, simply part of the solution)
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To: killjoy
A study by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) indicates during the seven-year period from 1987 through 1993, states with no helmet laws or partial helmet laws (for riders under 21) suffered fewer deaths (2.89) per 100 accidents than those states with full helmet laws (2.93 deaths).

Excerpted from the following article:
http://www.forbes.com/fyi/1999/0503/041.html

The other statistics are culled from the following studies:
The Hurt Report
NHTSA "CODES" Study

The "organ donor" fallacy was brought to my attention from the death of my 16 year old son last September, who died as a result of the head injuries he received in an automobile accident. He was a belted passenger. We were informed his head trauma automatically disqualified him from being an organ donor.

144 posted on 02/05/2005 8:59:23 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: BraveMan
I don't have a problem with motorcycle riders not wearing a helmet.

I do have a problem with the motorcycle rider, or most likely the guardians, suing me when I hit them because they are weaving in and out of the I-95 HOV lanes at 6:30AM.

Not wearing a helmet should absolutely prevent that individual from being allowed to sue in case of an accident. If the Virginia legislature can attempt bar fast food lawsuits, why can't they do the same for more identifiable risky behavior.

If an individual partakes in risky behavior, that person should should not dump the consequences on others, either through lawsuits, welfare, or increased insurance costs.

Individual freedom means not pushing the results of your ill conceived decisions upon others.

If the VA legislature bars lawsuits from helmet less motorcycle riders, then go at it.
145 posted on 02/05/2005 9:07:58 AM PST by ethel rascel
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To: BraveMan
Excerpted from the following article:

The article is inconclusive. There are a lot of other variables involved than just riders wearing helmets or not wearing helmets. The comparison they give is between Florida and Iowa. The riding conditions in these states are very different. For example, Florida roads are mostly very straight with little to no twisties and no snow or ice. The opposite is true of Iowa. If a study is done showing deaths in the same state, before and after a helmet law change, I would give it much more weight. For example, a study of motorcycle deaths in Florida immediately before and after the 2000 change in the law.

146 posted on 02/05/2005 9:32:03 AM PST by killjoy (War is not the answer, simply part of the solution)
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To: ethel rascel
Not wearing a helmet should absolutely prevent that individual from being allowed to sue in case of an accident.

70% of the time the accident is the fault of the automobile driver. Are you telling me you favor giving the negligent auto driver a pass simply because the motorcyclist wasn't wearing a helmet?

147 posted on 02/05/2005 9:33:10 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: Liberal Classic
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety... -- B.F.
Would you call the freedom to choose whether or not to wear a helmet or a seat belt an "essential" liberty? I wouldn't...
When Ben Franklin lived, they didn't have motorcycles, or cars. Times have changed. If you take Franklin's words literally, then people who are willing to go through screening at the airport in order to board a commercial airplane don't deserve liberty or safety. But I think it's worth it to have to empty your pockets and take off your shoes if it will help prevent another 9/11.
148 posted on 02/05/2005 9:36:39 AM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: BraveMan

I just got here, but I can see I didn't miss anything new. :-)


149 posted on 02/05/2005 9:37:09 AM PST by JoeSixPack1 (I am now a "SNAPDRAGON" Part of me has lost its snap and the other part is draggin')
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To: JoeSixPack1

Nope:)


150 posted on 02/05/2005 9:44:54 AM PST by international american (Tagline wanted.......must be fireproof.........will pay cash.)
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To: JoeSixPack1
I just got here, but I can see I didn't miss anything new.

Can't you add something witty like, "I have crashed many times without a helmet and I am proof it didn't leave any lasting effects." :)

151 posted on 02/05/2005 9:45:29 AM PST by killjoy (War is not the answer, simply part of the solution)
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To: killjoy

Those studies will be done, to be sure.

When helmet laws are enacted, motorcycle registrations go down. Ergo, motorcycle accidents go down. When helmet laws are repealed, motorcycle registrations go up. Ergo, motorcycle accidents go up.

Florida recently repealed its helmet law, as you noted. Mark my words, much hay will be made over the inevitable rise in motorcycle fatalities that will be found in Florida. I'll bet you dinner the increase in registrations and the 'newbie factor' will be discounted, if not overlooked entirely.

You missed the salient point in the Forbes article; namely, insurance companies want us off the road because the wrongful death and injury lawsuit payouts tend to be huge.

My motorcycle insurance is cheaper than my car insurance despite my motorcycle being worth three times as much as my car, all other factors being equal. If I am supposedly such an increased risk on a motorcycle, why do you think that is the case?


152 posted on 02/05/2005 9:49:35 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: BerniesFriend

At 70, the cigarette burns pretty fast.


153 posted on 02/05/2005 9:51:04 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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To: JoeSixPack1

Just a few more Nannies outing themselves, Joe. Otherwise, its the same old canard; "I don't want to pay for your risky behaviour!!!" Never mind that they never did to begin with . . .


154 posted on 02/05/2005 9:54:01 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: killjoy

OK,, you asked.........


I went thru a brick wall at 98mph back in 1978. If I didn't have my helmet on my brain would have been sucked out of my skull where the concrete wore a hole thru it, I guess. The road rash is another story. as is the rain room, silvadene, etc. etc.

I was run over by 5 guys from Iowa and my helmet had nothing to do with it. But it came off real quick when it got down to hand to hand.

I used my helmet a few times to correct unruly individuals.

A helmet will help you survive a basball bat attack.

I wear one when I ride sometimes too. It holds my do-rag on my head and keeps me from worrying about it above 75mph. :-)

Helmets have a purpose! And it's many!

Thank you. Carry on.


155 posted on 02/05/2005 9:55:38 AM PST by JoeSixPack1 (I am now a "SNAPDRAGON" Part of me has lost its snap and the other part is draggin')
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To: muawiyah

When you lose control of your car on a public highway because you hit a chuckhole and slid out of your seat, I do not want your car to come swerving into my lane and killing me.

If you don't want to wear a seatbelt while driving, go get your own road!
132 muaw






It's OUR road, and it shouldn't have chuckholes big enough for speeding idiots wearing seatbelts to lose control, much less rational folks that can drive a car without strapping on a safety harness.

Wear a belt if you want, but leave me free to do what I want. That's the American way.

And if you want everyone to wear a seatbelt while YOU are driving, go get your own private road, where you set the rules.


156 posted on 02/05/2005 10:00:07 AM PST by jonestown
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To: BraveMan

Life is great when you enjoy it.

It's hard to imagine how these "Nannies" view our world.




PS.-- Today is chaps and leathers even down here!! It's coooooooolllld outside!


157 posted on 02/05/2005 10:01:02 AM PST by JoeSixPack1 (I am now a "SNAPDRAGON" Part of me has lost its snap and the other part is draggin')
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To: JoeSixPack1

The temperature is in the 40s here. I'd be riding today if the parts guy hadn't talked me out of the heated hangrips!


158 posted on 02/05/2005 10:11:04 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: beaver fever
If you want to live like a Viking die like a Viking in a heroic blase of glory.

I'm about as blase about glory as I can manage:

blase, bored

uninterested because of frequent exposure or indulgence; "his blase indifference"; "a petulent blase air"; "the bored gaze of the successful film star"


159 posted on 02/05/2005 10:14:21 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: BraveMan
I'll bet you dinner the increase in registrations and the 'newbie factor' will be discounted, if not overlooked entirely.

Of course. We are in complete agreement over that one. The problem is the guys who run down to their local dealer and buy the latest and greatest without any training. They are the problem, not someone with years of experience.

The problem that I have is with people who will promote irresponsible behavior to new riders. This goes for cruisers and sportbikes. If someone knows what they are doing, then go without a helmet, jacket, gloves.. and if you are a woman and have the body for it... without anything.

On the other hand, if someone is a new rider, invest in the gear. Wear a full face helmet. Wear a good jacket, boots, gloves, and anything else that will help keep you intact when the inevitable happens. Later, when the person has 10,000 miles and a few years experience, go be a hooligan.

My motorcycle insurance is cheaper than my car insurance despite my motorcycle being worth three times as much as my car, all other factors being equal. If I am supposedly such an increased risk on a motorcycle, why do you think that is the case?

Because your insurance company screwed up your bill? :)

160 posted on 02/05/2005 10:17:57 AM PST by killjoy (War is not the answer, simply part of the solution)
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