Posted on 02/09/2005 7:00:48 AM PST by LibWhacker
It is the ethical dilemma that for decades has troubled the rich and aspiring the world over: when you place a live lobster in a pot of boiling water, does it feel pain?
Norwegian scientists were asked to investigate pain, discomfort and stress in invertebrates and claim now to have discovered that the answer is no.
Their conclusion applies also to crabs and to live worms on a fish hook. None of these feel a thing. Which is good news for Norwegian fishermen at least.
Their government was considering a ban on live worms as fish bait under revisions to its animal protection laws - but only if it hurt. Wenche Farstad of the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science in Oslo now says it does not.
"It seems to be only reflex curling when put on the hook. They might sense something but it is not painful and does not compromise their well-being," said Prof Farstad, who chaired the panel that prepared the government report. "The common earthworm has a very simple nervous system. It can be cut in two and continue with its business."
The report looked at welfare implications of everything from cooking live crabs and lobsters to keeping bees. Invertebrates are animals without backbones, covering creatures from insects and spiders to mollusks and crustaceans.
Honeybees deserve special care, Prof Farstad said, because they display social behaviour and a capacity to learn and cooperate. But invertebrates do not feel pain because they have basic nervous systems and small brains.
Peter Fraser, a marine biologist at the University of Aberdeen, says crabs and lobsters have only about 100,000 neurons, compared with 100bn in people and other vertebrates. While this allows them to react to threatening stimuli, he said there is no evidence they feel pain.
Tiny perforations in leg bones allow crabs and lobsters to jettison limbs if trapped by predators. "That doesn't demonstrate whether they feel pain or not, but it does demonstrate they have very different mechanisms," Dr Fraser said. "If we tried to throw off a leg I'd imagine that would be very painful indeed."
Gee, is partial-birth abortion legal there? How do they feel about that?
Maybe it's more like: The poor bastards, they never knew what hit them!
Ahhh Natty Bo.
Quote of the day. I'm a proud charter member of People Eating Tasty Animals (and lobster is mighty tasty).
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You mean the lobsters are faking it when they scream? How precious.
Paging Mary Tyler Moore...Paging Mary Tyler Moore...Please pick up the white phone Ms. Moore.
I have an ethical dilemma about dropping live lobsters into a pot of boiling water.
They taste far better when they are steamed rather than boiled. Spouse and I usually let ours race a lap ot two around the kitchen floor before popping 'em into the steampot.
Boh...dacious!
A hit! A palpable hit! That is a question that they dare not explore.
We now officially live in a world where 'Mad Magazine' is considered serious literature.
#30 (above)
Lobsters "scream"??
I'd change my prescription if I were you.
You know if the discovery was that they did feel pain, the media would NOT have labeled it a claim but instead a fact.
Norway
2003-- 13,836 abortions
Civilized people recognize that while being higher on the food chain allows us to take their lives, there's nothing to be gained in unnecessary pain & suffering.
It's the difference between a quick, clean kill and dragging it out.
Someone who doesn't care about, or indeed revels in, other creatures' pain is someone in desperate need of psychiatric help.
Source for abortion statistic.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-norway.html
I wonder what their take on the PAIN that Terry Schiavo will feel when the starve her to death?
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