Skip to comments.Ted Kennedy: Iraq war's Jane Fonda (Great Read!)
Posted on 02/12/2005 7:40:07 PM PST by wagglebee
The votes have been cast if not yet fully counted and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy owes the brave people of Iraq a profound apology. Some 8 million Iraqis on Jan. 30 defied terrorists' threats of violence and death to cast their ballots for a more hopeful future than Mr. Kennedy was willing to grant them. In so doing, Iraqis, who hadn't voted in free elections in a half-century, gave the lie to the Massachusetts Democrat's nakedly partisan rant three days before the balloting that the war that made the voting possible was "a colossal failure, a continuing quagmire." In fact, although about three dozen people minus the eight suicide bombers died in election-related violence, the terrorists' vow to wreak maximum havoc nationwide to minimize the turnout and thereby render the vote illegitimate was what was the true "colossal failure."
Indeed, Iraqi voters gave the collective finger, a purple dye-stained finger, to the thugs and assassins and to Mr. Kennedy, whose diatribe at Johns Hopkins' School of Advanced International Studies Jan. 27 gave demagoguery a bad name. For Mr. Kennedy to characterize the Iraq war as "Bush's Vietnam" in advance of the balloting served only to give propaganda aid and comfort to terror mastermind Abu Musab Zarqawi and his henchmen. But beyond that, it grossly misrepresents the Vietnam War specifically, the U.S. conduct of the war and the lessons thereof.
North Vietnamese Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap admitted that the January 1968 Tet Offensive was a disastrous defeat for the Communists not for the United States, as it was portrayed in the U.S. media and that in its wake, Hanoi was on the verge of surrendering. More tellingly, Gen. Giap acknowledged that it was the U.S. domestic anti-war movement that kept the North going. In other words, the very people who claimed they only wanted an end to the killing were actually responsible for prolonging the war for several years and by tens of thousands of deaths.
Zarqawi is no doubt aware of, and encouraged by, that sordid chapter of our history, and with the likes of Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya transmitting his remarks across the Middle East, Mr. Kennedy has become the Jane Fonda (the Lt. John Kerry?) of the Iraq war. It could be argued that not only are his remarks not likely to bring about an end to the bloodletting in Iraq, but rather, considerably prolong it by giving the terrorists hope that the United States will, in the late Sen. George Aiken's infamous Vietnam-era formulation, "declare victory and get out."
Leaving aside that it was President John F. Kennedy who got the United States into the Vietnam War in the first place, Sen. Kennedy's screed is the antithesis of his late brother's famous credo from his Jan. 20, 1961, inaugural address: "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
If anything, Sen. Kennedy's shameful stance more closely mirrors that of his father, Joseph P. Kennedy, who as FDR's ambassador to Great Britain during World War II was the chief administration proponent of appeasement of Hitler and the Nazis. While the 1,400 U.S. troops whose lives have been lost in the nearly two years since Operation Iraqi Freedom was launched is sad and lamentable, one can only be grateful that Ted Kennedy was not in the Senate during World War II, when during the Battle of the Bulge alone, 19,000 U.S. troops died in six weeks' time. If he had been, much of Europe might well be speaking German today.
But perhaps Mr. Kennedy's most irresponsible and demonstrably false pre-election remark was his drawing of a moral equivalence between our troops and the terrorists. "Our military and the insurgents are fighting for the same thing: the hearts and minds of the people," he said, "and that is a battle we are not winning."
Apart from the fact that the suicide bombers seven of whom on election day were Saudis, while only one was an Iraqi are more interested in losing spleens and intestines than in winning hearts and minds, the Iraqi voters showed whose side they were on with their index fingers.
If anything, Sen. Kennedy's shameful stance more closely mirrors that of his father, Joseph P. Kennedy, who as FDR's ambassador to Great Britain during World War II was the chief administration proponent of appeasement of Hitler and the Nazis.
If Tubby could sober up long enough to be coherent, I'd love to see these words shoved down his fat throat!
I was thinking a printed copy rolled up and shoved with a twisting motion up.........
that's true, ol' joe was on the side of hitler.
and fdr sent a spy to keep watch on joe kennedy, finally recalling kennedy from the ambassadorship to england.
When FDR recalled Kennedy, he sent his mistress as his "official greeter" to meet the Nazi-loving bootlegger at the airport.
Saying that Kennedy is the Iraq War's Jane Fonda is being very generous.
Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of Benedict Arnold, or at least Alger Hiss.
Teddy...Teddy...I'm from MA. What a disgrace!!!
A Clean & Sober 1st Term Senator TED KENNEDY in Vietnam-1965
(See 5th Photo)
The only thing Kennedy hasn't done that Jane did was cavort with the enemy on TV - on the enemy's home territory.
Do Senate rules require all members to refer to each other as "honorable" even when the addressee doesn't remotely merit that honorific?
Yep! That's to maintain the collegial atmosphere.
God forbid should Teddy try to impress us by wearing a Speedo!!!
What was he doing there? How long after his appearance did Ia Drang/LZ XRay happen
Mighty sure of yourself!
Thank you for asking. Great question.
About 3 weeks before our 1965 Battle of the IA DRANG Valley a junket of Senators/Representatives from Congress, including a young Senator TED KENNEDY, came trotting thru our 1st Cav Headquarters at An Khe, South Vietnam.
They were on a trip to survey how a then Free South Vietnam's new civilian war refugees were being affected by our War Operations at the very begining of the Vietnam War.
Our 1st Cav's Commanding General that Senator KENNEDY was visiting was none other than General HARRY W.O. KINNARD, of World War II's "NUTS" fame during the Battle of the Bulge.
It was a young Intel Operations Officer Capt. KINNARD who suggested that very "NUTS" response to his Commanding General MacAuliffe as being the appropriate response to a German Ultimatum of Surrender issued us at a surrounded Bastogne.
All History in the doing.
The Vietnam war was the longest in our nation's history.
1st American advisor was killed on June 08, 1956,
and the last casualties in connection with the war occurred on May 15, 1975, during the Mayaquez incident. Approximately 2.7 million Americans served in the war zone; 300,000 were wounded and approximately 75,000 permanently disabled. Officially there are still 1,991 Americans unaccounted for from SE Asia.
Vietnam was a savage, in your face war where death could and did strike from anywhere with absolutely no warning. The brave young men and women who fought that war paid an awful price of blood, pain and suffering. As it is said: "ALL GAVE SOME ... SOME GAVE ALL"
The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield. No American force in ANY other conflict fought with more determination or sheer courage than the Vietnam Veteran. For the first time in our history America sent it's young men and women into a war run by inept politicians who had no grasp of military strategies and no moral will to win. They were led by "top brass" who were concerned mainly with furthering their own careers, most neither understood the nature of the war nor had a clue about the impossible mission with which they'd tasked their soldiers. And the war was reported by a self serving Media who penned stories filled with inaccuracies, deliberate omissions, biased presentations and blatant distorted interpretations because they were more interested in a story than the truth! It can be debated that we should never have fought that war. It can also be argued that the young Americans who fought so courageously, never losing a single major battle, helped in a huge way to WIN THE COLD WAR.
in the '68 Tet offensive, the zips lost, Big Time.
In the '72 offensive, they lost again.
Our losses can be blamed on Kerry's fifth column.
Aloha, Bro yourself ..Tonk.
Read Bernard Fall's books. Annam, Cochinchina and Viet Nam are synonymous; the conflict there spans a millennium.
We have to keep an eye on the "history" of the Viet Nam war.
We and other vets who were there know the true history.
Not the common misconceptions.
Also, try this...
HAL G. MOORE: The Lessons and Lessons of an American Warrior
I believe the first American casualties in Nam were CIA contract pilot "Earthquake McGoon" and his copilot who died air dropping supplies into Dien Bien Phu on May 6th, 1954, the day before it fell.
There was a show on one of the documentary channels about him recently, I can't recall which channel.
Um, but who set forth the doctrine of "containment"? Harry Something Truman.
Any way, when the French did the French thing, that is, running away, that inflamed the mess in Algeria.
So the French ran away from that fight too, which begat the islamofascist movement.
If suicide bombers started blowing themselves up and killing people in downtown Boston, would Kennedy say that they were trying to win the hearts and minds of the people of Massachusetts?
Iraqis suffered for years under Saddam Hussein. Which Iraqis, Senator Kennedy, had their hearts and minds won over by seeing their friends and relatives blown up by insurgents? I'll tell you which ones. The ones who went out and voted. The insurgents random, wanton bloodshed drove them to the polls, you idiot.
ha ha ha. That cracks me up every time! *-hole
ER-AH! "I will increase your taxes, er ah."
Kinnard concocted the incomparably funny "nuts" response for MacAuliffe (to reiterate to the Germans at Bastogne).
That one got by me somehow. I did not know that; you learn something new every day.
Thanks for the info!
Write a book. That is important. Don't let Marxists like Kerry twist the Truth.
Dr. Bill Peters wrote a great book on 'nam. Lots of good guys have. Need to make sure the Truth is firmly established in history so that Marxists do not eradicate it. They will, if given the chance.. they will.
Just curious, did the swimmer know about Kinnard when he was there? After Ia Drang/LZ XRay did anyone hear from Kennedy, did he do anything for ya'll?
Terms: junket, trotting, trip, survey.
All history by the Politics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
subject to change.
This may be where Ted is getting his material:
See "Terrorist Propaganda". This video is directed to the Europeans and condemns the US and Britain. I stumbled accross it while trolling through antiwar.com
That's got to be some leftwing Eurocoward with a bag over his head, there's no way in hell that's an Arab talking in that video. Sounds a bit like an Irishman.
"Um, but who set forth the doctrine of "containment"? Harry Something Truman."
I believe you are correct, however Eisenhower sent the 1st US troops to Viet Nam.
Just doing my part;)
I have to tell ya, I was real happy and proud to have had a little time with a young Sen. TED KENNEDY in Vietnam. 5 years earlier I had also shaken hands with his brother JFK on the day he accepted his Democrat Party's nomination for President.
Those were very big deals back then.
When Senator TED KENNEDY got home the Vietnam Refugee problem was discussed in Congress. I really don't have a clue if he know about the special World War II history of his escort General KINNARD or not.
I didn't know about it myself until I read 'WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE and YOUNG' about our 1st major battle of Vietnam War that was to come just weeks after our visit with TED.
...You're learning something new everyday thru the Internet sorta highlights how if we returning Vietnam Vets had had that Internet to combat the TV Lies about the Vietnam War committed by the CRONKITE-RATHER Media team...
...a once Free South Vietnam would still be Free today.
...And millions of poor S.E. Asian souls would not have suffered horrendously, like they did, as a result.
This is nothing new. Kennedy was a traitor in the late 1960s too. When I was in Vietnam, I remember listening to Radio Hanoi propaganda broadcasts of his speeches.
We definitely did the right thing in Nam. Indecent acts and war crimes, as always, should be punished, yet these isolated acts should never be escalated to the level of the Unrepresentative Sample Fallacy, which the MSM clearly does in an attempt to attack the integrity of our military.
If the Leftist media never waged a virulent and despicable PSYOP war against our guys, the entire country would definitely see us as the heroes that we were as would all free Vietnamese.
What is a noble calling? To Free The Oppressed.
.."It is indeed an honor being here today representing California State Assemblyman VAN TRAN, the 1st Vietnamese-American State Legislator in California History, on this the 1st Day of the Lunar New Year's Year of the Rooster.
.."It was 40 years ago this very year that I left this Little Saigon area for the 1st major battles of the Vietnam War in 1965, the Year of the Horse. And then I was blessed to return here.
.."The Assemblyman that I represent today, VAN TRAN, was but a 1 year old little boy in Saigon at the time.
.."Then 30 years ago this year Freedom fell in Saigon and we are all now fighting for Freedom's return there.
..."Wouldn't it be wonderful if at the end of this the Year of the Rooster, that's this time next year, we see the Rooster singing its last song...
...and it's one filled with JOY as Freedom finally arrives to those beautiful white sandy beaches of Vietnam? Allowing the people there to more freely LOVE and be loved in return..?
.."For after all, isn't LOVE the only reality and...
...GOD is LOVE..?" *
* Speech given by a Vietnam Veteran at this week's Lunar New Year's Opening Ceremonies held at Little Saigon's Vietnam War Memorial and Annual TET Festival.
Freedom only "fell" because 'Rats like Kennedy, at the behest of anti-Americans like Jane Fonda and Walter Cronkite, forced America to abandon it!
Thanks for the link to Van Tran's speech.
Don't forget DAN RATHER's mis-reporting the Vietnam War to the American People as well...
just like now.
See my "WE WERE SOLDIERS" bookmark threads:
Hit: "ALOHA RONNIE" here
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Tet Offensive losses:
North Vietnam/Viet Cong:
Wounded: not known
Missing: not known
Missing: 630,000 (homeless>
Source: Tet Offensive
How anyone can reach any other conclusion than the Tet Offensive was an overwhelming victory for the US is beyond me!
You are correct...
unless they were...
on the side of...
our communist terrorist enemy..
and against Freedom for others...
while posing otherwise on TV...
Friends of HILLARY...
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