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FairTax.Org HR25
WWW.FAIRTAX.ORG ^ | Last Week | Thomas Leser

Posted on 02/13/2005 10:41:05 AM PST by nsmart

The FairTax is the non-partisan national sales tax proposal that would replace all federal income taxes. These include personal, estate, gift, self-employment, alternative minimum, capital gains, FICA, and corporate and death taxes.

(Excerpt) Read more at WWW.FAIRTAX.ORG ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: consumptiontax; endincometax; fairtax; fairtaxorg; hr25; incometaxes; taxes; taxreform
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To: Always Right
Their analysis makes global warming scientist look honest.

LOL!..so true.

141 posted on 02/13/2005 7:22:26 PM PST by lewislynn (The meaning of life can be described in one word...Grandchildren)
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To: Bigun
That Sir is an outright LIE!

The FairTax imposes no tax what so ever on incomes of any kind!
Uh, how long did you say you'd been following the FairTax?

See the post right above yours (#139) for the text from the FairTax bill.

[Once again an ignorant FairTaxer calls someone a liar when they are only presenting the facts.]
142 posted on 02/13/2005 7:25:42 PM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare

My bad.


143 posted on 02/13/2005 7:32:29 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: groanup
My bad.
NP. Thanks for not calling me a liar! ;-P
144 posted on 02/13/2005 7:37:26 PM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare
$25,937 spent with 23% inclusive NRST = $19,971 in purchasing power.

So you're about even.

You could make that argument. You also can make the argument that the NRST would reduce prices by about 10-15% without affecting wages so you're actually ahead.

As it is now, tax deferred accounts are taxed upon withdrawal with the one exception of Roth IRA's and who knows what congress will do with those things in 25 years when SS is broke. So in the case of a NRST at least you KEEP what you make.

145 posted on 02/13/2005 7:42:49 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: Principled; Your Nightmare
I was hoping the rate would be lowered to 25% inclusive or so...

Even you're confused (no surprise there) by the phony rate you tout as "used to compare".

146 posted on 02/13/2005 10:44:55 PM PST by lewislynn (The meaning of life can be described in one word...Grandchildren)
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To: nsmart

Go FAIRTAX BTTT!


147 posted on 02/13/2005 10:50:13 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Always Right
i"there will be similar compliance costs with the sales tax regardless of what the nutty professors say"

As a business owner, I side with the 'nutty professors'. I don't have to hire an accountant to figure the amount of sales tax owed on the products I sell. It is a very simple form and I can complete and comply with about 30 minutes of work per month. On the other hand the amount of paperwork and time necessary to comply with Federal regulations related to payroll are amazing and they don't even come close to what is involved in Federal filing at the end of each fiscal year.

148 posted on 02/14/2005 4:20:14 AM PST by SCALEMAN (Super Cards/Rams Fan)
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To: hoosiermama
"What will all the accountants and tax lawyers do for livings?"

Personally, I don't give a damn.

149 posted on 02/14/2005 4:23:38 AM PST by SCALEMAN (Super Cards/Rams Fan)
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To: SCALEMAN

You still have to report employee earnings, SS benefits require it. You still have to account for everything you bought and maintain records to ensure that what you bought was for a legitimate business purpose. I am a business owner too, and it with compueters doing payroll is no more difficult than what sales tax would be. Personally, I am in the home building busines, and there is no way in heck the building business is going to make it if we have to charge a 30% sales tax (which is what a 23% 'inclusive' rate really is). This bill will destroy the new home business.


150 posted on 02/14/2005 4:29:58 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
The Fair Tax will be wonderful for realtors, builders, mortgage providers.

Remember I'm in the business too.

151 posted on 02/14/2005 4:44:18 AM PST by Principled
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To: Always Right

Of course the link has footnotes and is sourced.


152 posted on 02/14/2005 4:46:02 AM PST by Principled
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To: LauraleeBraswell
It will never happen among the stupid American sheep who think like my blonde sister...."I don't pay any federal taxes, I get a refund every spring."

OY!

153 posted on 02/14/2005 4:49:34 AM PST by patriot_wes (When I see two guys kissin..argh! Is puking a hate crime yet?)
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To: Your Nightmare
You have my sincerest apologies.
154 posted on 02/14/2005 5:49:31 AM PST by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Principled

With all due respect, Dr. Jorgenson is a pointie headed professor who has been bought and paid for by FAIR and has never spent one hour in a real business. It is just the same old boilerplate crap that doesn't even specifically apply. He simply assumes prices on everything fall, interest rates drop, wages go up, yada yada yada. Not impressed. I can point to sources that says Clinton is an honest man, doesn't make it so.


155 posted on 02/14/2005 5:50:23 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
He simply assumes prices on everything fall, interest rates drop, wages go up, yada yada yada.

No he doesn't assume those things.

156 posted on 02/14/2005 5:52:50 AM PST by Principled
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To: nsmart

"In my opinion, the Patriot Act is a pussy cat next to what I have to tell the IRS."

That is a great point, and one I have wondered about a lot. Giving the feds the right to go to the library and review what books you have been checking out is a greater intrusion of privacy than requiring you to disclose every detail of your financial life once a year? Unbelievable.


157 posted on 02/14/2005 5:55:34 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: Always Right
Arthur P. Hall, Ph.D., Senior Economist, The Tax Foundation, Special Brief, House Ways & Means Committee Testimony, March 1996.

Dale W. Jorgenson, Ph.D., Harvard University, Testimony before the Ways and Means Committee, March 27, 1996.

Laurence J. Kotlikoff, April 15, 1993, Cato Institute Policy Analysis.

Gary Robbins, Aldona Robbins, Policy Report No. 127, September 1994, Taxation Analysis, The Institute for Policy Innovation.

Dr. Martin Feldstein, Ph.D., Working Paper 5397, December 1995.

Robert E. Hall and Alvin Rabushka, The Hoover Institution Press.

All are "pointy headed" idiots eh? Just making crap up to ruin your business eh?

158 posted on 02/14/2005 5:57:55 AM PST by Principled
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To: Always Right

"Price going down 30-40% the first year is purs bullcrap."

You are the only one that I have seen use a range of 30 - 40%.

What were you saying about hating the exaggerations of the FairTax supporters? Apparently exaggerations only bother you if they are in support of the FairTax.


159 posted on 02/14/2005 6:00:26 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: Always Right

Is your statement that we will not see the degree of price reductions claimed? Or is it that prices will not decrease at all?


160 posted on 02/14/2005 6:03:03 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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