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FairTax.Org HR25
WWW.FAIRTAX.ORG ^ | Last Week | Thomas Leser

Posted on 02/13/2005 10:41:05 AM PST by nsmart

The FairTax is the non-partisan national sales tax proposal that would replace all federal income taxes. These include personal, estate, gift, self-employment, alternative minimum, capital gains, FICA, and corporate and death taxes.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: consumptiontax; endincometax; fairtax; fairtaxorg; hr25; incometaxes; taxes; taxreform
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To: hoosiermama
What will all the accountants and tax lawyers do for livings? ;^)

ahmmm

work a real job?

they'll be lot's a new ones

81 posted on 02/13/2005 1:52:20 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: Principled

Additionally, foreign goods are forced to be sold with the entire tax burden on them that we otherwise put into our own products.

It is, in effect, a tariff that truly keeps items competitive as they should be.


82 posted on 02/13/2005 1:57:49 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: groanup
America would become the world's largest tax haven and internationals would beat a path to our door to build production facilities here. Jobs? We'll have them. The sheer boom factor would create so much prosperity and competition

which is another reason the dems will fight this all the way. They have a habit of going against what is good for the country if it means keeping the Republicans from looking good.

83 posted on 02/13/2005 1:58:52 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: nsmart
and we haven't even gotten to illegal immigrants. To receive the pre-bate, you must have a VALID SS#. Even illegals have to buy food, etc. so they will be paying the sales tax but not receiving the pre-bate. This will create a HUGE incentive to become legal.

HEY!

hadn't thought of that one!

great observation!

84 posted on 02/13/2005 2:00:49 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: JoeGar
And this is considered "fair"?

they don't now - duh...

so what's the difference there?

85 posted on 02/13/2005 2:04:21 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: nsmart
Imagine no taxation on the fruits of your labors

Imagine not getting socked an extra 15.7% social security double taxes for being self-employed!

86 posted on 02/13/2005 2:07:08 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: JoeGar
It isn't simply "poor people" who pay no tax - it's anyone who chooses to spend only on necessities. Me - I'll go ahead and buy stuff I like and pay the tax - since prices won't rise I don't care.

I don't like it that there would be some people paying no tax - but if necessities are exempted - and I think they should be exempted - how would you tax someone who only spends on necessities?

The argument that everyone should pay tax is a good argument because everyone should understand the cost of government. Although the nrst does allow necessities to be exempt, the problem is ameliorated when individuals hae to pull the money out of their pockets to pay the tax - even though the money was prebated they'll still say "ouch - dang them taxes!".

Further you can see that rejecting the nrst on this basis ends up being just another argument for the status quo - no way would it be politically possible to do this regressively. JMHO

87 posted on 02/13/2005 2:17:29 PM PST by Principled
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To: JoeGar
And this is considered "fair"?

If you file for the FCA, everybody's spending up to the poverty level is tax free.
You, Bill Gates, the guy working at the Stop-N-Rob.

As for me, I'd just as soon not not file for the rebate.

88 posted on 02/13/2005 2:18:43 PM PST by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: Principled
but if necessities are exempted - and I think they should be exempted

What is a necessity?

More to the point: What is a necessity to you? Is it the same as a necessity to me?
-- and should politicians and bureaucrats in Washington D.C decide which?

89 posted on 02/13/2005 2:28:32 PM PST by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: nsmart

"...Imagine a phi beta kappa who graduates at the top of his class. Imagine the possibilities.. he could start a business that employs 200 people, or become a scientist who discovers a renewable energy source or a doctor who cures some dread disease...

but instead, he becomes a tax attorney.. and produces...

NOTHING.. what a sad loss of human capital!...."

HEY! I resemble that remark.......and agree wholeheartedly. I look forward to the day that I can contribute something real to the GDP.....


90 posted on 02/13/2005 2:35:58 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: hoosiermama
"...What will all the accountants and tax lawyers do for livings? ;^)..."

Personally, I think I'll take up ambulance chasing! Seriously....The economic growth that we will experience will be a boon for virtually all.

The insurance industry is next on my list...and in my sights. Once I'm done fighting with the IRS, Insurance companies that unfairly deny claims, engage in bad faith settlement negotiations, and frankly LIE to sell policies will rue the day that the IRS was abolished.

There is no end to the ingenuity of the human spirit. We'll be fine....don't cry for us. If the steel workers could regroup, retread and retrain, we can too.
91 posted on 02/13/2005 2:43:59 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: dread78645
Politicians should NOT decide what is a necessity IMO.

One of the reasons I support the nrst is because the gov't does NOT decide what is a necessity. They only decide what necessity level spending is (like today's standard deduction) - and they exempt that level of spending for everyone through a prebate.

How does the prebate work?

92 posted on 02/13/2005 2:54:01 PM PST by Principled
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To: dread78645
What is a necessity to you? Is it the same as a necessity to me? -- and should politicians and bureaucrats in Washington D.C decide which?

The proposal doesn't specifiy what is taxed. It specifies the amount of NRST that is pre-bated up to a certain amount of expense. Ergo, you can buy toothpaste and food without paying NRST. By the same token, you can spend your pre-bate on whiskey and beer. It's your choice.

93 posted on 02/13/2005 2:54:58 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: Principled

Damn, you can't read. Sorry.


94 posted on 02/13/2005 3:05:00 PM PST by Always Right
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To: maine-iac7
what is stupid is people who do not do the research on a subject - so easy to do with Internet - and jump to kneeJERK assumptions

I understand the subject and all the lies behind it.

95 posted on 02/13/2005 3:06:00 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right; maine-iac7
Yeah. That's why he makes errors, admits them, then uses profanity to say he's right anyway.

LOL

No substance, just emotion. Too easy.

96 posted on 02/13/2005 3:09:30 PM PST by Principled
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To: Principled

You are so full of it. The guy said prices would drop 20-30 percent. He did not say pre-tax. He clearly implied and misrepresented what was going on. It is just the same old typical bullcrap that NRST folks use on every figgin thread on this subject. It is all smoke and mirrors.


97 posted on 02/13/2005 3:12:03 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Principled

Show me where Dale Jorgenson said pre-tax.


98 posted on 02/13/2005 3:13:50 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right
I understand the subject and all the lies behind it.

We understand you think it is all lies but you have offered nothing but accusations to that effect. Let's see some research or support for your position. Do you have anything intelligent to add or are you just going to disrupt the debate with puffery?

99 posted on 02/13/2005 3:15:58 PM PST by groanup (http://www.fairtax.org)
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To: Always Right
Easy big guy... take a deep breath...

My problem with what you said is that you said it was claimed that prices would drop 30-40%. I said no, they will drop 20-30%.

Then you freaked out.

100 posted on 02/13/2005 3:18:31 PM PST by Principled
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