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Virgin Mary Child Dies (Lucia of Fatima)
The Scotsman ^ | Feb 13, 2005 | unknown

Posted on 02/13/2005 3:46:33 PM PST by Cincinnatus

Sister Lucia Marto, the last of three children who claimed to have seen the Virgin Mary in a series of 1917 apparitions, has died, Portuguese media reported today. She was 97.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.scotsman.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1917; fatima; lucia; luciainmyoatmeal; luciaonmytoast; obituary; olfatima; portugal; secret; sisterlucia; sisterlucy; sourcery; thirdsecret
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To: Cincinnatus
Also, though it had been raining heavily, the folks who dropped to their knees in the mud found their pants dry when they stood up again. A rather minor miracle compared to the sun hurtling toward the earth, but very impressive for the folks who were there.

I can honestly say that if I saw the sun hurtling toward the earth, my pants would not be dry if I were able to stand up again.

141 posted on 02/14/2005 8:33:55 PM PST by streetpreacher (There will be no Trolls in heaven.)
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To: streetpreacher

Why are you acting obnoxious?

I wouldn't mock GOD you have more to loose than he does...


142 posted on 02/14/2005 8:37:36 PM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: It's me
Also, the only approved appritions are Fatima, Lourdes and Guadelupe. None of the others are approved by the church. NONE. .>>

What about La Salette?
143 posted on 02/14/2005 8:39:20 PM PST by Coleus (http://www.reversingroe.com/ Hear Norma McCorvey in this film)
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To: Coleus

Lenten ping.


144 posted on 02/14/2005 8:44:26 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Coleus

No. Not even La Salette


146 posted on 02/14/2005 8:49:57 PM PST by It's me
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To: Prolifeconservative

Medjugorje was never recognized by the church.


147 posted on 02/14/2005 8:50:21 PM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: It's me
This is news to me...Do you have any source for your info.?
148 posted on 02/14/2005 9:00:17 PM PST by Coleus (http://www.reversingroe.com/ Hear Norma McCorvey in this film)
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To: OptimusPrime5

No. I'm not reading into the third secret.

I really do not care what it is.

All I know is that it is not neccessary to know what it is in order to get to heaven.

That's my main reason for life here on earth - to get to heaven. Will I have a better chance to get there if I know the secret? I truly doubt it.

I will try to do what Mary asked at Fatima:

"Look, my daughter, at my Heart encircled with thorns, with which ungrateful men wound it every moment by their blasphemies and ingratitude. Give me consolation, you, at least; and announce for me that I promise to assist at the hour of death, with the graces necessary for salvation, all who on the first Saturday of five consecutive months, go to confession, receive Holy Communion, recite five decades of the Rosary, and keep me company for fifteen minutes meditating on the mysteries of the Rosary, WITH THE INTENTION OF MAKING REPARATION TO ME."

That's what is important. NOt the knowledge of the third secret.


149 posted on 02/14/2005 9:01:06 PM PST by It's me
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MYSTERY FATIMA: DEATH OF LUCIA ACCENTS FAMED SECRETS AND AREA'S HIDDEN HISTORY

There always have been mysteries attached to Fatima -- site of among the most famous apparitions in history -- and there always will. Are there still prophecies to unfold? Did the Pope correctly consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart -- as requested during the 1917 apparitions? What about claims that Sister Lucia de Jesus dos Santos, the 97-year-old seer who died Sunday, had said that she would live to see the "triumph" of Mary's Immaculate Heart, as mentioned in the three famous secrets?

Did that triumph occur?

And is there anything Sister Lucia has written through all these decades that now may be released?

She is a prolific writer, as demonstrated through her only real book, Calls From the Message of Fatima. Were there other works -- remembrances of the most famous apparitions since Lourdes and Guadalupe?

Lastly: why does Portugal so mysteriously fit into the picture?

When we say there have always been "mysteries," consider that there reputedly was supernatural activity centuries before the Fatima apparitions. As far back as the 1100s, an impoverished young girl from the nearby hamlet of Reguengo do Fetal reported an apparition of what historians record as the Blessed Mother, and in the 14th century another woman in the vicinity encountered Mary in a vision that won the bishop's approval -- 600 years before Lucia and her two cousins, Francisco and Jacinta, saw the Blessed Mother at the Cova da Iria.

In the same area around the same time a third marvel was recorded as a knight named Nuno and his men claimed to see angels, and a deaf girl claimed a vision of the Madonna just a mile and a half from where Lucia would see Mary centuries later.

It seems like a spiritual "power spot," but let's get on quickly to those other issues:

Have the Fatima prophecies now all been fulfilled?

We know that most of them have. The prophecies, which focused on Russia (a name the children had not heard up to that point), were fulfilled when Russia turned atheistic and the Second World War began, announced by a display of the aurora borealis (Lucia explained this in a series of interviews called Fatima In Lucia's Own Words, page 109). In the aftermath of the war, and during the rise of Communism, the good were martyred, as the Blessed Mother predicted in the first two secrets, and entire nations were absorbed into the U.S.S.R. (for all intents and purposes "annihilated," a term the secrets used).

What about the third secret? Has that too been fully realized (read the entire text)?

The Vatican says yes -- and despite conspiracy theories, and outright cynicism -- we have to believe Rome: that the image of an angel about to torch the world, as well as symbols of a "bishop in white" shot," and many priests martyred, was fulfilled during the terror of Communistic reign and when Pope John Paul II was shot -- perhaps at the behest of those same Communists.

The secret as depicted by Lucia reached at least the majority of its fulfillment in the suffering during the 1900s (immediately after the apparitions) of the Church.

There are those who believe that more is to come, and while we respect their view, they often point to a version of the "third secret" that is very different than what the Vatican released. In that version, called the Neues Europa secret (after a German magazine that printed it), there were apocalyptic descriptions of a great punishment coming in the second half of the twentieth century that would involve a "big, big war" and of "fire and smoke" that would "fall from the sky and the waters of the oceans turned to steam -- hurling their foam towards the sky, and all that is standing "overthrown." Millions and more millions of men would lose their lives from one hour to the next, said this version of the "secret," and those who remained living at that moment would "envy those who are dead."

Half of mankind (claimed this version of a secret that, at the time, the Church had not yet released) would be "killed in a matter of hours." It was the "time of times," claimed the report in the magazine.

That was in 1963 -- and one of the problems, of course, is that the second half of the twentieth century has come and gone without half of mankind succumbing. In other words, the Fulda "secret" was a false prophecy.

Another problem is that Sister Lucia herself denounced the "secret" as a bogus version of what actually had been foretold to her.

A mystery: why, later, did Pope John Paul II, speaking at a cathedral in the German town of Fulda, reportedly mention that the Fatima secret contained information on millions dying from "moment to moment millions will die"?

And why did a similar message emanate from an alleged site of miracles called Akita in Japan?

Mysterious questions. We can't figure Akita out, but there is a good chance that John Paul II had heard of the controversial Neues Europa message, and may have been referring to that; the Fulda remarks were allegedly in 1980, and it was not until a year later, in 1981 -- after the assassination attempt on May 13 (the Fatima anniversary) -- that the new Pope studied the authentic version of  the secret.

Is the version that was released five years ago by the Vatican true?

Sister Lucia signed her name to it (which is good enough for us), and in its language and focus on what could result from Communism, it flowed perfectly from the other two parts of the secret. There are no credible challenges to what the Vatican released.

Moreover, Sister Lucia herself repeatedly implored those who insisted that the consecration of Russia was not properly done to halt such assertions; she said the 1984 consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by John Paul II had been fully accepted by the Virgin Mary -- smiling coyly (and indicating that apparitions were continuing at least into the 1990s) when asked if the Virgin herself had told her this.

Translation: Sister Lucia hinted that the Virgin Mary still appeared to her and had directly told her that the consecration finally had been accepted.

What about the promise that Mary's Immaculate Heart would "triumph"?

We're not sure about this "promise" that she would live to see the triumph (it is not in any formal record that she herself said), but even if she did, she says she did see it:

In interviews during the early 1990s, Sister Lucia told visiting cardinals and bishops that the triumph had come in the way of Communism falling in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union -- an explanation that made sense in light of the secrets' preoccupation with Russia and an explanation that seems further credible when we stop long enough to realize how incredible, what a triumph it was, that Communism fell (at least for the time being) without a nuclear war.

Was that not what the real secret symbolized by an angel torching the world as if through war?

And what about Portugal? Is it not true that true to the secrets, which said that the dogma of the faith would always survive there, that it kept away from the kind of secularism and fascism that ensnared so much of Eurasia (and even its neighbor Spain)? Has not Portugal remained one of the most faithful of Catholic nations?

We'll wait to see if there is anything else that Sister Lucia has written. For the most part, in her waning years, she accepted visitors and questions about the Consecration, the secrets, and the triumph with a look bordering on bemusement. Her own spirituality was relentless and her Catholicism, as expressed in her book Calls, revolved around simple Church teachings.

Her main message: live a good life, a life of love, of humility, a life of hiddenness, a life of obedience, of devotion to Christ in the Eucharist.

Does it mean the world is out of the woods? Hardly. There are secrets from other places. And Sister Lucia did say that we are in an apocalyptic battle between light and dark. She confirmed that God does send punishments (as in Revelation, by way of angels).

The question now is whether the world will come back to those teachings, or whether it may be the case that the angel will once more be poised to set a torch to the globe.

[see also: From the archives: the secret history of Fatima]

[resources: Sister Lucia's book Calls and The Final Hour]


151 posted on 02/14/2005 9:22:55 PM PST by Coleus (http://www.reversingroe.com/ Hear Norma McCorvey in this film)
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To: OptimusPrime5
Oh my goodness!

You have no idea what I am doing for our Church. But, then agian, I will not go and trumpet it on teh mountain top. God knows and that's all that matteres to me.

Good Night.

152 posted on 02/14/2005 9:41:48 PM PST by It's me
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To: Cincinnatus

True and without her here we will pay.I do not say this lightly.


153 posted on 02/14/2005 9:46:33 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: It's me
"You have no idea what I am doing for our Church."

I humbly ask for the privilege of being the first not to know.

Thank you in advance.

154 posted on 02/14/2005 9:47:20 PM PST by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Coleus

I am terribly wrong.

THere have to more than three.

Fatima, Lourdes, Guadelupe, St. Catherine Labore and the Miraculous Medal. That's four.

I think that La Salette is not condemmed but it does not have the Churches approval either.


155 posted on 02/14/2005 9:49:53 PM PST by It's me
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To: Cincinnatus

:)


156 posted on 02/14/2005 9:49:58 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: thedilg

So many see the virgin in all of of her glory. Yet........... how many find the Father trough the Son.


157 posted on 02/14/2005 9:53:57 PM PST by R_Kangel ("Liberals are like a broken pencil.......useless with no point.")
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To: i_dont_chat

The dry miracle was bigger because you were dry.


158 posted on 02/14/2005 9:55:48 PM PST by fatima (Happy Valentine's Day All.)
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To: It's me

LaSalette, Pont Main, and Akita were certainly approved apparitions:


On the Approval of the Apparition of LaSalette:

The local Bishop too faced quite a degree of opposition in investigating the apparition, and it was only after four years, and having set up two commissions of enquiry, that Mgr de Bruillard, as bishop of Grenoble, approved of devotion to Our Lady of Salette, in the following terms.

"We declare that the apparition of the Blessed Virgin to two shepherds, on September 19, 1846, on a mountain in the Alps in the parish of La Salette, bears in itself all the marks of truth and that the faithful are justified in believing without question in its truth. And so, to mark our lively gratitude to God and the glorious Virgin Mary, we authorise the cult of Our Lady of La Salette."

The PontMain Apparition:



The following March a canonical inquiry into the apparition was held, and in May the local bishop questioned the children, the inquiry being continued later in the year with further questioning by theologians and a medical examination. The bishop was satisfied by these investigations, and in February 1872 declared his belief that it was the Blessed Virgin who had appeared to the children.

Joseph Barbadette became a priest, a member of the Congregation of the Oblates of Mary Immaculate, while his brother Eùgene became a secular priest. He was assisted by one of the girls who had seen Mary as his housekeeper, with the other, Jeanne-Marie Lebossé, becoming a nun. A large basilica was built at Pontmain and consecrated in 1900.

Apparition at Akita:

The Tears and Message

Akita statue weeping

In June of 1988, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger approved the Akita events as "Reliable and Worthy of Belief."
This was the first approval of a Marian apparition in over 50 years!
There were five wonders at Akita:
1. Tears flowed from the statue of Our Lady 101 times, from Jan. 4, 1975 to Sept. 15, 1981 (Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows). [On Sept. 28, 1981, Sister Agnes suddenly felt an Angel at her side during adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. A bible appeared open before her eyes and she was invited to read Genesis 3:15...the voice of the Angel was heard explaining that the passage had relationship with the tears of Mary and then said: "There is a meaning to the figure 101. This signifies that sin came into the world by a woman and it is also by a woman that salvation came to the world. The zero between the two signifies the Eternal God who is from all eternity until eternity. The first one represents Eve and the last the Virgin Mary."]
2. A cross-shaped wound on the left hand of Sister Agnes (main seer) bled profusely, causing great pain.
3. An identical wound appeared on the right hand of Our Lady's statue, from which blood flowed three times.
4. Sister Agnes, who had been declared to be incurably deaf, was completely cured at a time predicted by Our Lady.
5.In the midst of these wonders, the Angel and Our Lady appeared and spoke . . .giving messages of world - shaking importance.

Bishop Ito of Nigata, Japan, said that Akita is an update of Fatima... and its promise.


159 posted on 02/14/2005 10:01:25 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Coleus

And St. Catherine Laboure's apparation of Mary that gave us the Miraculous Medal was most certainly approved as well.

There is also approval of the apparations at Beauraing

Although there were problems from some quarters opposition to Beauraing had practically ceased by the time the bishop appointed a commission of inquiry in 1935, with the work continuing under his successor. In February 1943 Bishop Charue authorised public devotions to Mary at Beauraing, but it was not until July 1949, following the Second World War, that the shrine was officially recognised and two important documents issued. The first dealt with two of the many cures that had taken place at Beauraing, declaring them to be miraculous.

The second document was a letter to the clergy in which the bishop said, "we are able in all serenity and prudence to affirm that the Queen of Heaven appeared to the children of Beauraing during the winter of 1932-1933, especially to show us in her maternal Heart the anxious appeal for prayer and the promise of her powerful mediation for the conversion of sinners."

Banneaux also received approval:

Banneux was investigated from 1935 until 1937 by an Episcopal commission, after which the evidence collected was submitted to Rome. Meanwhile growing numbers of pilgrims came to the shrine, and in May 1942 Bishop Kerkhofs of Liege approved the cult of the Virgin of the Poor. In 1947 the apparitions themselves received preliminary approval, with this becoming definite in 1949. Like the children at Beauraing, Mariette married and had a family, being, like them, content to remain in the background.


160 posted on 02/14/2005 10:06:42 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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