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HOMOSEXUALITY:From mental disorder to civil-rights cause
World Magazine ^ | 13 Feb. 2005 | Marvin Olasky

Posted on 02/13/2005 7:02:46 PM PST by dzzrtrock

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The politics of intimidation have been paying off. it is time for them to stop. Here's the truth on "gay rights" and how we got to where we are.
1 posted on 02/13/2005 7:02:50 PM PST by dzzrtrock
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To: dzzrtrock

The debate about homosexual marriage and civil unions ultimatly boils down to the "born debate".

That is what all this become a referendum on.

In the final analysis, "born homosexual" is about as valid as "born to paaaaaarty".


2 posted on 02/13/2005 7:15:54 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: dzzrtrock

This can be said on an anonymous bulletin board.

Try saying it at work or in a letter to the editor of your local paper and you will be unemployed pronto.


3 posted on 02/13/2005 7:16:37 PM PST by Paloma_55
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To: dzzrtrock

is it possible thaat when the psychological folks that said you were "born" with being gay, the group was needing good press and needed to be revived?


4 posted on 02/13/2005 7:16:38 PM PST by DTwistedSisterS
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To: dzzrtrock
Homosexuality is a spirit, a demonic satanic spirit, as with the feminist spirit, both demonic and satanic.
5 posted on 02/13/2005 7:19:03 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: longtermmemmory

-----The debate about homosexual marriage and civil unions ultimatly boils down to the "born debate".
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I wish I could agree with you but the Supreme Court ruled in the case of Lawrence vs Texas without determining whether someone is "born that way". I guess they just assumed it.

And the other day, while listening to a debate on this subject on Hugh Hewitt's show, I heard the fag lawyer say "there have been gays for thousands of years" and yet the conservative failed to point out..."There have been rapists, thieves, pedophiles, and all sorts of sickos for thousands of years... your point?" but he didn't.

We are losing this one.


6 posted on 02/13/2005 7:19:22 PM PST by Paloma_55
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To: dzzrtrock

Well, well, well...

This is most interesting. I've been catching hell from family members for years for merely suggesting that homosexuality could be a mental disorder, and not just an "alternative lifestyle".

I believe that it's rooted in one's response to abuse and/or neglect, and is the ultimate manifesation of self-loathing.

Kinda funny, but I have been posting that opinon to this forum for a long time.

It makes sense, and one doesn't need to be psychiatrist to understand that.

Good find.

Unfortunately, in today's homo-centric media, this message will get little traction.


7 posted on 02/13/2005 7:23:25 PM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

If you want on/off the ping list see my profile page.

8 posted on 02/13/2005 7:26:18 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: dzzrtrock

Excellent post. Very important, I think.


9 posted on 02/13/2005 7:28:52 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: longtermmemmory

if we have gay rights can we have white rights, black rights, heterosexual rights,you get the picture? The US constitution only guarantees rights to individuals, not groups of individuals especially homosexuals. Most states have anti-sodomy laws still in the books but not so much in practice. American society still rejects the presence of homosexual "rights" like gay marriage and stuff of that nature. GWB won by 2 million votes and one of his major points was a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. So society still is more conservative than people in San Francisco like to think (pun intended, hey maybe even NJ):). Would anyone like to hear my arguement for why I should have heterosexual rights? I did not think so.


10 posted on 02/13/2005 7:31:41 PM PST by erik22lax
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To: longtermmemmory

The debate about homosexual marriage and civil unions ultimatly boils down to the "born debate".
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I was listening to 'Progressive' (ultra lib) radio, and they were saying several times how people 'choose' to be gay, etc. They were making other points, but kept referring to people choosing this lifestyle, while not realizing that they were contracicting thier own supposed arguement about 'being born' gay, as justification. They did not even catch the contradiction.


11 posted on 02/13/2005 7:40:59 PM PST by Gal.5:1 (note to self: speak the truth in love)
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To: dzzrtrock

By the early '70s, Judd Marmor was on his way to the vice presidency of the American Psychiatric Association. He and a number of allies in the APA arranged to have outside gay activists disrupt APA meetings to protest the persistence of homosexuality as a diagnostic category within the APA's list of disorders. Eventually, these protests led to a series of meetings with the APA's "nomenclature committee" at which "research" was presented purportedly demonstrating no connection between homosexuality and psychopathology. These presentations were tendentious, the "research" consisting largely of Hooker's bogus work and Kinsey's data. With that, along with political pressure and the "civil-rights" argument, homosexuality was removed from the diagnostic manual.

Perhaps we need to get Thousands of people to walk on Washington, and have every article these good Freepers have gathered, including this very informative article, and hand deliver copies to the President, andf for good measure, the Secretary of Education, and Secretary of Health and Human Services.


12 posted on 02/13/2005 7:41:11 PM PST by gidget7
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To: dzzrtrock

Olasky is a Jewish believer in Jesus and Satinover is Jewish. Who'd'a thunk...


13 posted on 02/13/2005 7:44:03 PM PST by guitarist
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To: erik22lax

I agree with you 100%! I think any and ALL "hate crimes" laws should be banned. Every American is already equally entitled to protection, justice, due process etc, no small group is any more entitled than anyone else.


14 posted on 02/13/2005 7:44:10 PM PST by gidget7
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To: dzzrtrock

From mental disorder to civil-rights cause
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20 years ago, this was considered a shameful, unspeakable abnormality, and the DSM categorized it as mental disorder- I remember this from psych class texts. The movement/agenda has progressed quite far. But they are not done yet. They intend much more.


15 posted on 02/13/2005 7:46:18 PM PST by Gal.5:1 (note to self: speak the truth in love)
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To: Gal.5:1

How much longer before the homo-advocates demand homosexual sex is mandatory? It is the logical end to their indoctrination tollerance objectives.


16 posted on 02/13/2005 7:50:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: gidget7
I think any and ALL "hate crimes" laws should be banned.

I agree. I never did figure out how sexual orientation became a 'race' anyway.

It seems like having the ability to procreate would be a major criteria of ANY 'race', and one obviously unattainable in a same sex union.

17 posted on 02/13/2005 7:51:08 PM PST by MamaTexan (Bad, bad FReepers!!! ROFL!)
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To: dzzrtrock

bump


18 posted on 02/13/2005 7:52:47 PM PST by bubman
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To: conservativeharleyguy
I believe that it's ... the ultimate manifesation of self-loathing.

That's an interesting statement. How do you come to this conclusion? (I can almost see the rationale for it intuitively, but please explain.)

19 posted on 02/13/2005 7:55:08 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Paloma_55

Hi, Paloma_55. I still have your great quote on my profile page!


20 posted on 02/13/2005 7:56:46 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Homosexuality is a spirit, a demonic satanic spirit, as with the feminist spirit, both demonic and satanic.

I too believe as you say here

21 posted on 02/13/2005 7:57:07 PM PST by Rooivalk
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To: gidget7

Gidget, good summary of a very lengthy historical "event." I just got through reading a 25 page account of what happened in '73!


22 posted on 02/13/2005 8:00:45 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: longtermmemmory

Let me get this straight(pun intended, i'm very proud of myself here)

There is no such thing as homosexuality, only LATENT-HETEROSEXUALITY?

That actually makes sense to me. Especially if you add the caveat that some very rare individuals may never actually develope full blown heterosexuality.


23 posted on 02/13/2005 8:03:35 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Mockingbird For Short

Thanks! I thought it got the most vital point of how we got here.

Only whish I knew how to spread the word more. If I were rich I think I would deticate my life to the cause, like the elites do spreading their agenda!


24 posted on 02/13/2005 8:06:05 PM PST by gidget7
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To: gidget7

Ha ha.... just finished reading the entire article at World Magazine. My bad!!


25 posted on 02/13/2005 8:11:09 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: conservativeharleyguy
I believe you are on to something. But I believe there is a more common occurring factor at work too.

I think individuals that don't get much positive feedback from the opposite sex early in life don't get the incentive to seek out the opposite sex.

In otherwords, if an individual is totally unattractive to the opposite sex early in life, either due to physical appearance of personality, then they CAN get their mental programming mixed up. Add to that the "exclusivity" that modern media lavishes on "alternative" life styles, and the effect on a young mind is obvious.
26 posted on 02/13/2005 8:11:36 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: dzzrtrock
No one knows the combination of factors creating homosexuality. All studies to date seem to suffer from sampling problems. I struggle even to follow the reasoning of the examinations of the data that exists.

I've gone through one analysis of studies from Colombia & Yale and another from Cambridge.

The former leans toward environment and says that the data is inconstant with a simple genetic influence model", that "there's substantial support for the role of social influences ", and that "its consistent with a general model that allows for genetic expression of same-sex attraction under specific, highly circumscribed, social conditions." "

The latter takes a step toward genetics and concludes that, "…it seems reasonable to conclude that male homosexuality, or, at least, some 'types' of male homosexuality, are under some degree of genetic control, although various problems with this data prevent more precise conclusions from being drawn.

I’ve seen papers and books that look at some of this data and lean much more one way or the other, but these two seem to be the most academic and without obvious bias.

27 posted on 02/13/2005 8:20:59 PM PST by elfman2
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To: gidget7; nicmarlo; EdReform; DirtyHarryY2K; Antoninus; longtermmemmory
Only whish I knew how to spread the word more. If I were rich I think I would deticate my life to the cause, like the elites do spreading their agenda!

I HEAR YOU. These are my thoughts exactly. I think that those of us on FR who are interested could figure out a way to do just that... either a concise expose of gay activism, especially in our schools, or a Weblog where we can pool all of our articles and links. What do you think?

28 posted on 02/13/2005 8:26:58 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: mamelukesabre
There is no such thing as homosexuality, only LATENT-HETEROSEXUALITY?

Yep, you got it.

Every male has his feminine side and every female has her masculine side. My feminine side happens to be lesbian.

29 posted on 02/13/2005 8:31:11 PM PST by joedelta (Those who long for peace must prepare for war)
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To: dzzrtrock

ping


30 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:20 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: dzzrtrock
Okay, so when can we expect Michael Crichton's novel based upon the science here?

RileyD, nwJ

31 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:26 PM PST by RileyD, nwJ ("Only the humble are sane." anon)
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To: Mockingbird For Short

I think the solution is to put more conservatives on the school boards and on the curriculum committees.

It also helps to keep secret FR membership of elected officials. (IOW don't use official computers or laptops provided by government offices, or internet accounts provided by official services.)


32 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:32 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Mockingbird For Short

Well I have to say, the freepers here have done a fabulous job of pulling all this information together!!!!

And I am not rich by any means, far from it. But I have often wondered, when I see all the millions pouring into the homosexual lobby, Where are the wealthy Conservatives??? Surely there must be some!


33 posted on 02/13/2005 8:33:58 PM PST by gidget7
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To: gidget7

ALSO, this: Each of us can have some degree of effect on the issues of acceptance of homosexuality as an "alternative" lifestyle AND same-sex marriage at the local, state, and national level by going here: http://www.abolishgaymarriage.org/ and signing up. Afterwards, an email, a letter, and a petition will be sent in your name to local, state, and federal lawmakers. Go check it out.

Remember that if same-sex marriage is legalized, homosexuality itself will be officially sanctioned, which will result in more aggressive homosexual education in the public schools. If you want to see the degree to which it is being encouraged in MA schools, go here to be shocked: http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/4_April/apfist%7E1.htm and http://www.americansfortruth.com/glsen_affidav_final3.htm


34 posted on 02/13/2005 8:37:31 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: longtermmemmory
I think the solution is to put more conservatives on the school boards and on the curriculum committees.

If only I could twitch my nose like Samantha Stevens!

35 posted on 02/13/2005 8:39:29 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Mockingbird For Short

Uh huh, I am in MA, tell me about it!!!!!

I haved emailed our reps repeatedly, being the are Kerry, Kennedy, Barney Frank, and others of the same mind. Need I tell you the effect they have? Also, on the local level, you might be accused of a hate crime in this town!

The environment here is very hostile, to say the least!


36 posted on 02/13/2005 8:42:09 PM PST by gidget7
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To: dzzrtrock; scripter; Clint N. Suhks; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; SweetCaroline; longtermmemmory; ...

The infiltration of the 'professional' medical and scientific associations by homosexual activists was ( and continues to be ) part of a well planned and well financed campaign to redefine homosexuality as normal. They started by infiltrating the American Psychiatric Association, with the goal removing homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Make no mistake, the homosexual activists knew exactly what they were doing in the days leading up to the removal of homosexuality from the DSM. Once they had control of the American Psychiatric Association, all the other 'professional' organizations ( such as the American Psychological Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Mental Health Association, the AMA , the American Counseling Association, etc.) fell in line and now accept, and march to, the APA's pro-homosexual party line. Click here (then scroll down the page to "The American Academy of Pediatrics") for a list of other pro-homosexual 'professional' associations that toe each others' homosexual agenda lines.

Forcing the removal of homosexuality from the DSM was the homosexual community's greatest achievement. It permitted them to claim that "homosexuality is normal" and set the stage to present this "normalcy" to the general public via a well planned media campaign ( outlined in 'The Overhauling of Straight America' ), and to kids in the public schools via Kevin Jennings' GLSEN. Kids as young as kindergarten age are now being indoctrinated with "homosexuality is normal" propaganda.

It wasn't science, but rather pro-homosexual activism that was, and continues to be, the primary force behind policy changes and the politically correct statments made by the APA and the majority of the other "professional" medical and scientific organizations.


For documentation of homosexual activism in both the APA's and the AAP, see the following replies in scripter's "Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1)" thread:

American Psychological Association: 121, 240, 242, 300, 329, 331, 336, 357, and 449.

American Psychiatric Association: 46, 139, 213, 232, 237, 239, 241, 243, 246, 300, 363, 364, and 443.

American Academy of Pediatrics: 284


See also:

An excerpt from "GAY ORTHODOXY AND ACADEMIC HERESY"

An excerpt from "When Activism Masquerades as Science: Potential Consequences of Recent APA Resolutions"



37 posted on 02/13/2005 8:56:27 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Paul in Romans 18 - 32 agrees with you.
And it all started with Genesis 6:1 and Ham.
Ever wonder why the Gays use the rainbow?
Did you know the fallen angles (ben elohiym) were hermaphrodites?

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against * flesh and blood, but against
**principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in
high places.

**Strongs Greek Number 746 "Arche"
beginning, origin
the person or thing that commences, the first person or
thing in a series, the leader
that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the
active cause the extremity of a thing
of the corners of a sail
the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
of angels and demons
38 posted on 02/13/2005 8:59:37 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
BTTT


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

39 posted on 02/13/2005 9:00:27 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: gidget7

Ug, you have my sincere sympathies. But HOW LONG before it gets as bad in Texas and other states... unless many of us conservatives who have been silent (such as myself) because of intimidation or not wanting to be called "bigot" DO something about raising the awareness of the public? Just in the last 3 days I've learned more about what the homophile activists are doing than I've learned in the prior two years.... and I'll hasten to add that with the opening of my eyes, I've been entirely grossed out!!!!!


40 posted on 02/13/2005 9:07:17 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Mockingbird For Short; gidget7
Gidget
Your grasp on the facts surrounding the APA's 73 "vote" is correct on compelling, good for you.

Gidget, good summary of a very lengthy historical "event." I just got through reading a 25 page account of what happened in '73!

Mockingbird...did you really read the Socarides paper? Good for you and your due diligence. Now you are up to speed.

41 posted on 02/13/2005 9:07:30 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: dzzrtrock

http://members.tripod.com/~lillyforu1/ishomosexuality.html


42 posted on 02/13/2005 9:11:43 PM PST by MeekMom (Praise Jesus! We have so much to be thankful for!)
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To: Mockingbird For Short

We all have been grossed out. But if we close our eyes it will get worse. I do what I can, contibute when I can, where I can. Keeping informed is crutial. It does get very disheartening at times.

Reading posts here on FR at least helps us feel we aren't alone in feeling that way! And gives us valuable information!


43 posted on 02/13/2005 9:15:27 PM PST by gidget7
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To: DaveTesla
Read Romans chapter 1 , the whole chapter talks about the degeneration of the minds and souls of people like this.
44 posted on 02/13/2005 9:16:21 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: MeekMom

That link is very Nicely done!!! Great source, I added it to my LONG list of bookmarks, that you!

I have the same passages on other pages bookmarked, but that one is much nicer, and very thorough!


45 posted on 02/13/2005 9:18:58 PM PST by gidget7
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To: EdReform

This information will never see the light of day on any MSM or the FNC. (probably because there are leftists on staff at FNC)

Can you just imaging a Gibson special dedicated to the politics of how the APA delisted homosexuality from the DSM (and their initial attempt to delist pedophillia) Could such a newsworthy story even be presented without falling into the trap of PC "born that way" propaganda. Can you just see the program reading verbatim the opinion of the 11th upholding the bans (plural, 6 outright adn 27 second parent limitation/bans) on homosexuals adopting children?

How about just doing a story on the narth group WITHOUT DIVING INTO THE DISTRACTION OF RELIGION, just science alone?

With the MSM doing a silence and stealth effort on homosexual debates which are loosers for the left, I will not hold my breath. (but it would put somebody in the spotlight.)


46 posted on 02/13/2005 9:22:09 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Mockingbird...did you really read the Socarides paper? Good for you and your due diligence. Now you are up to speed.

I sure did, from beginning to end!

47 posted on 02/13/2005 9:25:19 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
I just quoted it to you (Paul in Romans 1:18 - 32 agrees with you.)
Read my post closer.

Does anyone understand ?

What do you see?

God removes the Curve (Effeminate part) from Adam and Creates Woman.

This made Man different.

This is where Satan rebells.

Genesis 2:23
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of
my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken
out of Man.
48 posted on 02/13/2005 9:31:41 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Mockingbird For Short
I sure did, from beginning to end!

Now you are a player...welcome to the club.

49 posted on 02/13/2005 9:36:09 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Aw shucks... Thanks, Clint.


50 posted on 02/13/2005 9:40:22 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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