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Forecast Calls for US Dominance, European Disintegration
CNS News ^ | 2-14-05 | Susan Jones

Posted on 02/14/2005 10:09:36 AM PST by FlyLow

(CNSNews.com) - Stratfor, a private intelligence and security consulting organization, has released a 10-year geopolitical forecast predicting the decline of China and Russia, the rise of Japan, the disintegration of the European Union and the continued dominance of the United States.

Stratfor said its forecast, released Monday, is based on its ongoing analysis of security, political, demographic, and other major trends in all key regions of the world.

The forecast is intended to help its clients (including corporations, governments, and financial institutions) form long-range strategic plan by "identifying potential risks and opportunities."

According to the 2005-2015 forecast, the United States will continue to dominate the next decade both economically and militarily; and the U.S. is "positioned to replicate the investment boom of the 1995- 2005 decade."

The forecast also says the U.S. gradually will shift its strategic focus from the Middle East to the Pacific basin. Stratfor predict the U.S. will triumph over the "jihadist" insurgents; and it predicts "major leadership transitions" in Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia.

The forecast also says Europe's political union will collapse but its economic union will endure. Tensions will increase over Muslim immigration to European nations, the analysis said. And it said Russian attempts to expand could present new problems.

Russia is collapsing and will become increasingly nationalist and anti-Western, Stratfor said in a "highlights" press release.

China's economic growth will slow down, the analysis predicted, leading to a "flight of investment." Moreover, China will experience "social upheavals" because of the gulf between rich and poor.

Japan will succeed China as the principal Asian power, and Taiwan will align itself with Japan, the forecast said.

Stratfor, based in Austin, Texas, said it draws on a global network of intelligence sources in formulated its global analyses.


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1 posted on 02/14/2005 10:09:37 AM PST by FlyLow
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To: FlyLow

Damn. Good forecast but Strafor is never right.


2 posted on 02/14/2005 10:11:47 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus

Was just about to ask that very question...


3 posted on 02/14/2005 10:12:11 AM PST by ECM
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To: FlyLow

The USA SHOULD be number one. Those who stand with us, KUDOS!

Those who stand against us: DOOM ON YOU!


4 posted on 02/14/2005 10:14:01 AM PST by HMFIC (The Peace Symbol is the FOOTPRINT of the American CHICKEN!)
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To: FlyLow
Russia is collapsing and will become increasingly nationalist and anti-Western...

Wow... ya think?

5 posted on 02/14/2005 10:14:25 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: FlyLow

They are partially right. US will dominate as long as Republicans hold power. The old EU will flounder, while the former East Bloc countries rise in world stature.


6 posted on 02/14/2005 10:14:56 AM PST by pissant
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To: FlyLow

Sounds questionable.


7 posted on 02/14/2005 10:16:43 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: FlyLow

I agree with most of this.

I think Russia could go in a number of directions - becoming anti-Western is one of them.

I also believe that Vietnam will become the next pool of cheap labor and may undergo significant Westernization - which will be the reason for the reversal of China's recent fortune.


8 posted on 02/14/2005 10:17:18 AM PST by kidd
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To: FlyLow
"Russia is collapsing and will become increasingly nationalist and anti-Western"

I am not buying that.
I think the Russian economy will do really well over the next decade.
9 posted on 02/14/2005 10:19:25 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Semper Paratus
Actually they called several key events. They predicted the raise of Islamofacists immediately after the Gulf War. And their guesses make sense. China has no real banking system, virtually no domestic capital source, and eventually face serious issues with their lack of freedom. The situation in the Europe is clear as day and night. Their aging population coupled with open ended socialism will limit their economic growth and the French and German dominance will be increasingly resented.

Time will tell but America's future important partners are India, Japan, and Austriala.

10 posted on 02/14/2005 10:20:33 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: KwasiOwusu

The real question is: How much is this going to cost us? Seems that if America leads the world, it must pay all the bills and forgive all the debts owed to us.

I think this is a very expensive position for us to be in.


11 posted on 02/14/2005 10:24:28 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: FlyLow

Japan will eclipse China????


12 posted on 02/14/2005 10:27:00 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: FlyLow

> Japan will succeed China as the principal Asian power, and Taiwan will align itself with Japan,

When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...


13 posted on 02/14/2005 10:28:42 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: kidd

China has not yet tasted competition. As soon at that happens, the cracks in the banking system will show.


14 posted on 02/14/2005 10:29:28 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: edcoil
"Seems that if America leads the world, it must pay all the bills and forgive all the debts owed to us"

The Russians have been able to start paying off some of their debts since the price of oil skyrocketed to over $40 over the past year or so actually.
15 posted on 02/14/2005 10:30:42 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: orionblamblam; FlyLow; kidd; eno_

The problem with China is that its system cannot absorb creative destruction. And that is the problem the Soviet system had.

A democracy can absorb creative destruction. It could let the huge, subsidized state enterprises go bankrupt.

China cannot because a population wedded to the "iron rice bowl" would riot. So it has to export like crazy to get the cash to subsidize the money pit state enterprises because its system is to fragile to survive large scale unemployment.


16 posted on 02/14/2005 10:35:41 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: pissant

I tend to believe that God means for us to remain dominant. We are the bastion of Christianity and it doesn't seem too far a stretch to think that He planned it that way for the final battles to come. Even as we seem to be heading for the cesspool of decline, the rest of the world is sliding even faster...


17 posted on 02/14/2005 10:35:57 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: wretchard

What does Wretchard of FR and Belmont fame think of this?


18 posted on 02/14/2005 10:37:19 AM PST by IGOTMINE (Please arm yourself.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Damn. Good forecast but Strafor is never right.

A broken clock is right a couple times a day. This makes more sense than anything else. I can not see how anyone can be high on the health of Europe longterm. Japan should be ready to roar again, and there is no reason the US won't keep its dominance. The biggest problem is I think China will remain strong.

19 posted on 02/14/2005 10:37:48 AM PST by Always Right
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To: KwasiOwusu

Nah. Too much corruption. Too much cronyism. The Sov, er, Russian economy has the same world dominating potential the Nazi's economy had: none at all.
Remember when everybody thought the "tigers" of SE Asia were going to take off like a rocket, then they tanked? Look for Russia to go the same way.


20 posted on 02/14/2005 10:42:35 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: FlyLow
and if we get the "Fair Tax" put in - not only will US businesses that went overseas come back - but there will be a rush of foreign investments here too - and other countries will see a hue & cry for the same tax system - which brings great personal freedom...true democracy.

If that genie gets out of the bottle - there will be no getting it back in...

21 posted on 02/14/2005 10:45:52 AM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: FlyLow

The EU will not founder. Unfortunately it, or something similar to it will rise to be a major world power if not THE world power.


22 posted on 02/14/2005 10:49:10 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (What are you? Lion or Lamb?)
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To: FlyLow
Russians may become increasingly xenophobic - but with a shrinking population they will have major logistical problems ahead of them in the next few decades. China could eventually take over eastern Siberia. Japan also has an aging and shrinking population that can only be supported by increased immigration - a hard pill to swallow in Japan. The best thing for Europe is economic union but not political union.
23 posted on 02/14/2005 10:57:50 AM PST by Humvee
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To: FlyLow
...the decline of China and Russia, the rise of Japan, the disintegration of the European Union and the continued dominance of the United States.

Cool! Sounds perfect to me :]

24 posted on 02/14/2005 11:13:57 AM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
" Unfortunately it, or something similar to it will rise to be a major world power if not THE world power"

With 1% GDP growth in the EU, and 12 % unemployment in Germany?
How are they going to manage that trick?
25 posted on 02/14/2005 11:16:41 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Humvee

Actually, I foresee Russia selling Siberia to the US, just like it previously sold Alaska if it's economy goes into decline rather than have China annex it for free.

The advantage to Russia is obvious - several trillion dollars in cash, additional trade between the US and Russia and, let's not forget, a means to play the US against China, thus taking pressure off itself.


26 posted on 02/14/2005 11:25:30 AM PST by Edward Watson
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To: KwasiOwusu

Actually, the poster you're responding to is thinking of the proverbial united Europe that will be led by the anti-Christ that is mentioned in the Bible.

The only way for this to happen is if Europe overthrows its socialist policies since it currently can't field any military force worth talking about since it doesn't have the money. Even now, most of it's best systems are a generation behind the US and this gap will just continually increase.

The advantage of the US is it brings complete integration of space, air, land and naval forces and operates all as a whole in theater. No one else can do that - thus no one else has a chance in hell of blunting an American offence.

And yes, that includes the unionized military of the continental Europeans.

I can't help but think of a Black Adder episode where Napoleon and his senior staff get frightened from an exploding shell, fan themselves, and admit they are "Whoopsies."


27 posted on 02/14/2005 11:33:35 AM PST by Edward Watson
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To: Edward Watson

They wouldn't part with an inch of territory although I could see them allowing western firms to do the exploitation of Siberian reserves to complicate the potential for an attack.

Any Russian leader who parted with land as large and rich as Siberia would deserve the fate his people would bestow upon him. Just look at the low level anger over the recent handover of the Ussuri islands to China.


28 posted on 02/14/2005 11:49:34 AM PST by Androcles
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To: Leatherneck_MT

"Unfortunately it, or something similar to it will rise to be a major world power if not THE world power."

Not possible, France is part of the EU.


29 posted on 02/14/2005 11:49:43 AM PST by conservativewasp (Support John Kerry......... Ho Chi Minh would. Damn! Now I need a new tagline.)
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To: FlyLow
China decline???? Not likely, they I am sure they will not agree with this forecast. China is more to strike out militarily perhaps for oil before they will be willing to let go of the dream of being the next superpower.
30 posted on 02/14/2005 12:13:52 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Edward Watson
I foresee Russia selling Siberia to the US

Never. There are still forces there that are furious that they sold us Alaska and want it back.

31 posted on 02/14/2005 12:19:22 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Semper Paratus

I have been watching Stratfor for a years. The organization has grown. I firmly disagree with them RE China. They have been laying a VERY strong foundation industrially-speaking and definitely militarily.

I think this assessment looks like the kooky "Word of Faith" aberration, rather than truth. As with all forecasts (like the weather, for example), we shall definitely see what China's long-term plans are as history unfolds. I'm not sure what tea leaves they are looking at, but I see China's behavior and activities for the last 15 or so years in an entirely different light, and I beg to disagree with their analysis. Good post, nevertheless. We need to watch China and the Taiwan Straits closely.


32 posted on 02/14/2005 12:19:35 PM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The very stones cry out to the Heavens ...)
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To: Bald Eagle777
We need to watch China and the Taiwan Straits closely.

Reunification with Taiwan commie style is bedrock to the PRC and their Revolution. It serves to legitimize their regime by resolving the Civil War in their favor and to send notice that they will be calling the shots in that part of the world.

If you ever get a chance to see an 'official' map of China you will see a lot they claim as theirs that are others.

33 posted on 02/14/2005 12:25:27 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: orionblamblam

>> Japan will succeed China as the principal Asian power, and Taiwan will align itself with Japan,

>When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...

This is the dawning of the Age of Oblivious, Age of Oblivious ... Oblivious!

Also on the same soundtrack: "... the youth of America on MTV. MTV, ABC, NBC, PBS. PBS, DNC, WJC, THC. MTVTHCWJC aaaaa beeeee ceeeeee."


34 posted on 02/14/2005 12:26:02 PM PST by No.6
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To: Bald Eagle777
I agree with you there doesn't appear to be a lot of analysis in this analysis. I sounds like it was written in the Gorbechev era.

The EU is expanding not contracting.

While you could argue that Russia is losing influence in the West it is increasing it's influence in Asia.

Japan won't become the dominant power in Asia because the Japanese economy has run out of capacity to expand and there has been no real growth in Japan for the last four years. Militarily they are constrained from military force projection by Article 19 of their constitution.

As far as the investment boom from 1995 to 2005 goes, I don't even understand what that means.

2000 saw the tech bubble burst causing a major contraction in the equity markets. Then US economy moved through slow to modest growth between 2000 and 2005. The last 10 years have not seen steady uninterrupted growth. They're missing a few peaks and troughs in their analysis.

This report looks more like a wish list than an analysis

My advice, if you want to get a handle on geopolitical and economic trends in the next ten years, is to subscribe to Bloomberg and if you have a talent for reading between the lines and filtering out propaganda, check out China Daily
35 posted on 02/14/2005 1:16:51 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: trebb
I tend to believe that God means for us to remain dominant.

Then God better put on a nice suit and start lobbying for a NRST, New Federalism, MSAs, and private pension accounts.

The next 50 years will be a competition among those who know that growth is the key to power and those that stumble or forget.

I pray He should also purge the RINOs.

36 posted on 02/14/2005 1:52:45 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: edcoil
Seems that if America leads the world, it must pay all the bills and forgive all the debts owed to us.

Huh?

Where do you get that idea?

37 posted on 02/14/2005 1:56:07 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: beaver fever
Militarily they are constrained from military force projection by Article 19 of their constitution.

That will eventually change IMO. They're right up at the line right now and will eventually have to make a change to be a true international player.

38 posted on 02/14/2005 2:00:10 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Semper Paratus

Your analysis is 100% dead on and I agree with you on this one. The only way they can bring closure to the civil war is to take (not re-take, note) Taiwan.

Interestingly, China is being rough with neighbors other than Taiwan, whether it is fishing rights (NOTE: they use modern harvesting techniques which actually extend the range of their nets even BEYOND negotiated corridors), to other territorial and resource disputes.

The only reason why Mao-Tse-Ding-Dong was hailed as "legitimate" is because he won in his cultural revolution, and the Nationalists had to flee the mainland to Formosa/Taiwan. Had the tables been turned the other way, and had Chiang Kai Shek and the Kuomintang (KMT) prevailed, Mao-Tse-Dog-Doo would have gone down in the ashbin of failed revolutions. I see the Communist revolutionaries as being the rebels in the first case regardless, unlawfully rebelling against the established Government at that time. Had Japan not invaded China in the late 30's maybe Chiang would have prevailed and we would not have a sneaky, forked-tongue Communist regime on our hands. "What ifs" ..

No matter how you look at the historical picture (we all have our "disagreements" here and there on points in history), China today is a Big Problem and they have been gearing up their military for expansion in the Pacific and modernizing their forces at every single opportunity. Interestingly, China has some beefs with Japan over some territories also. Their subs lurking and mapping the ocean floor is of concern.. (Maybe their maps are more up to date than ours??)

There is more than one match that could set the smoldering campfire alight, an invasion of Taiwan and blockade of the Straits being primary. A serious disagreement with Japan over disputed territories and rights, being another. Lurking subs doing "questionable" things being another. Where it would go from there could lead us into a whole different ballgame.

We always need to be prepared when it comes to China. I sense they will try to sucker punch us when we are least expecting it and when they deem that they are good to go.


39 posted on 02/14/2005 2:03:29 PM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The very stones cry out to the Heavens ...)
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To: FlyLow
The EU =


40 posted on 02/14/2005 2:05:23 PM PST by John Lenin (Moral decay is running rampant and good people do nothing)
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To: JohnnyZ
There is a strong anti war/anti nuke movement in Japan.

The Japanese constitution was more or less written by MacArthur and the Emperor was given little choice but to sign it. Article 19 was added in order to prevent Japan from becoming a military power in the future.

To change or reinterpret the Japanese constitution would be a big deal and politically dicey.

I'll believe it when I see it.
41 posted on 02/14/2005 2:10:03 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
To change or reinterpret the Japanese constitution would be a big deal and politically dicey. I'll believe it when I see it.

I think it'll be modified at least, based on the trend in Japanese military and political involvement over the last couple years. That's the future and eventually people will have to come to terms with it.

Just my opinion, of course, and it's one of those things that we'll have to bookmark and look at 5-10 years later ;)

42 posted on 02/14/2005 2:35:41 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Bald Eagle777
and had Chiang Kai Shek and the Kuomintang (KMT) prevailed, Mao-Tse-Dog-Doo would have gone down in the ashbin of failed revolutions

I had thought with economic growth and power that the CHICOMS would morph into a more eaglitarian government. Unfortunatly thanks to 1 division of the PLA being in the right place at the right time during the Tianeman Sq. event that did not happen.

43 posted on 02/14/2005 2:56:18 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus

They know how to use the principle of leverage to good effect, when it comes to cracking down on dissident. (Unfortunately)


44 posted on 02/14/2005 3:11:24 PM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The very stones cry out to the Heavens ...)
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To: eno_

Good points . . . if we actually have 50 years...


45 posted on 02/14/2005 6:26:21 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: beaver fever

RE: Russia, they are shadow-boxing with us and are trying to symmetrically mirror our every move, in each and every single theater of operations on every Continent. The "stans" are almost humorous. I find it ironic that we have military bases in the same damn country in at least one (public) case..

Let us hope that the WOT can "gloss over" our differences and clashing interests in some unspecified, hypothetical cases. Bury the details, bury them.

Their proxy strategy is what bothers me and their premeditated, calculated shadow-boxing is “not appreciated” ..


46 posted on 02/14/2005 8:38:21 PM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The very stones cry out to the Heavens ...)
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To: Bald Eagle777
I think Putin is building the new Russia on a Czarist model with a democratic twist. Strong centralized government but without a hereditary autocracy.

Just look at the last inauguration where all the ministers and grandees stood at attention in rows while he walked through between them.

The message was clear after being ruled by the drunk and incompetent Yeltsin a new leader was in charge. And the Oligarchs were going to be taken to account.

Putin wants to return Russia to the era of Catherine the Great when the country began to modernize through alliances with the West and became considerable military power.

Russia is still formidable military power but it suffered a loss of prestige under Yeltsin and Putin is determined to change that situation. If the West continues to attempt to marginalize Russia they will turn to a strategic alliance with China.

I believe Putin has already made that decision after political humiliation in Georgia and the Ukraine.

He's not shadow boxing he's doing an end run and he's letting China carry the ball.
47 posted on 02/14/2005 9:13:05 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: FlyLow
Each of these predictions is the extrapolation of an existing trend. To some degree they are interdependent; in certain cases they seem to me to be contradictory.

First, the time scale. For economic trends to produce results as broad as these predictions - China fading, for example - a ten-year window strikes me as far too short. Japan's rise will have to come at the tail-end of a demographic constriction that would be shocking were it not being repeated in Europe. Half a generation for this? I don't think so.

I have played with the idea of the EU restricting its rather ambitious aims a bit. It makes far more sense as an economic arrangement between otherwise fairly independent states than as a single, monolithic bureaucracy. That is, after all, what the Common Market was about. And if the world has learned anything about successful economic models in the past half-century it is that centralization is strangulation. Moreover, the degree to which current EU plans intend to restrict sovereignty of the member states in the area of foreign policy strikes me as unacceptable, especially to the British but also to the Nordic states. I am hopeful that the current model of puppet-masters in Brussels gives way to a looser, more workable federation. Here, too, ten years seems a bit short.

I suggest that both power politics and economy in Asia will pivot on the ability of South Korea to take on the staggering disaster that is the North. If the German model holds it will take them at least a decade to bring total productivity back to its current level, or longer - North Korea is much more a basket case than East Germany ever was. Japan and China will watch this closely, not as military powers but as economic competitors watching a rival submerge.

The U.S.? About the only thing that can radically change the current asymmetric geopolitical alignment would be some sort of catastrophic natural disaster - Yellowstone blowing, for example - that would collapse the economy down to something comparable with our rivals. The EU is touted as a bigger economy than that of the U.S. now, which it would be if it really were a true aggregate. It isn't, at least not yet. Short of a catastrophe on that level I'd say the next decade looks very promising indeed, and not just for the U.S.

Just my $0.02.

48 posted on 02/14/2005 9:35:09 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: eno_

Ever hear of foreign aid or Bono?


49 posted on 02/15/2005 5:16:17 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil

a) Tiny part of our budget.

b) Singer, works for Steve Jobs.

What do I win?


50 posted on 02/15/2005 6:01:20 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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