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Prosecutor argues seizure of Rush Limbaugh's medical records fair
South Florid Sun-Sentinel / AP ^ | February 14 2005, 4:00 PM EST | Jill Barton

Posted on 02/14/2005 1:34:15 PM PST by rface

WEST PALM BEACH -- The prosecutor investigating whether Rush Limbaugh illegally purchased prescription painkillers told the Florida Supreme Court on Monday that investigators should be allowed to review the conservative radio commentator's medical records.

Assistant State Attorney James Martz said Limbaugh's argument that he should have been notified before the records were seized by investigators is equivalent to saying ``that law enforcement is never to be trusted.''

``Then search warrants should never be issued and law enforcement should never be permitted to investigate criminal activity for fear that they will abuse the power granted,'' Martz wrote in a brief filed with the Florida Supreme Court. ``Such reasoning would eviscerate law enforcement's ability to protect the public and enforce the law.''

Martz added that the 4th District Court of Appeal's ruling, which said Limbaugh's privacy rights were not violated when the records were seized in 2003, should be upheld.

``Privacy rights cannot operate as an impenetrable shield to conceal, camouflage, or secrete evidence of criminal wrongdoing,'' Martz wrote.

Limbaugh and his attorney, Roy Black, had no comment on Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


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1 posted on 02/14/2005 1:34:15 PM PST by rface
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To: rface
In other news, a gang held up a pharmacy in Miami and made off with several cases of Viagra.

Police believe they are dealing with hardened criminals.

2 posted on 02/14/2005 1:36:40 PM PST by N. Theknow (A loaf of bread, a jug of wine, and thou beside me....)
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To: rface

Rush might have to swallow the bitter pill of irony. (seocnd time today I used that line)


3 posted on 02/14/2005 1:37:00 PM PST by CitizenHelper
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To: rface
full article from Southwest Florida Herald Tribune:

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- The prosecutor investigating whether Rush Limbaugh illegally purchased prescription painkillers told the Florida Supreme Court on Monday that investigators should be allowed to review the conservative radio commentator's medical records.

Assistant State Attorney James Martz was responding to arguments Limbaugh and his attorneys made asking that the records remain sealed. Martz said Limbaugh's argument that he should have been notified before the records were seized by investigators is equivalent to saying "that law enforcement is never to be trusted."

"Then search warrants should never be issued and law enforcement should never be permitted to investigate criminal activity for fear that they will abuse the power granted," Martz wrote in a brief filed with the Florida Supreme Court. "Such reasoning would eviscerate law enforcement's ability to protect the public and enforce the law."

Martz added that the 4th District Court of Appeal's ruling, which said Limbaugh's privacy rights were not violated when the records were seized in 2003, should be upheld.

"Privacy rights cannot operate as an impenetrable shield to conceal, camouflage, or secrete evidence of criminal wrongdoing," Martz wrote.

Limbaugh and his attorney, Roy Black, had no comment on Monday.

The court battle over Limbaugh's medical records has crippled the criminal investigation into his drug use for more than a year. Investigators seized the records after learning that Limbaugh received about 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors in six months, at a pharmacy near his Palm Beach mansion. They contend that Limbaugh engaged in "doctor shopping," or illegally deceived multiple doctors to receive overlapping prescriptions.

Limbaugh has maintained his innocence throughout the investigation and argues that the case threatens the privacy rights of all Floridians - a point which has drawn the support of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Limbaugh has acknowledged he became addicted to pain medication, blaming it on severe back pain. In October 2003, he took a five-week leave from his afternoon radio show to enter a rehabilitation program.

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4 posted on 02/14/2005 1:39:13 PM PST by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen")
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To: rface
"... is equivalent to saying ``that law enforcement is never to be trusted.'' "

and your point would be, mr prosecutor?

5 posted on 02/14/2005 1:39:35 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: rface
The prosecutor investigating whether Rush Limbaugh illegally purchased prescription painkillers told the Florida Supreme Court on Monday that investigators should be allowed to review the conservative radio commentator's medical records.

The first sentence tells you where the journalista stands.

6 posted on 02/14/2005 1:40:25 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: rface

It means prosecutors must follow the will of the people as expressed in the State Statutes. Of course, in adversary system,neither side should have to trust the other.

Prosecutors are looking for evidence of guilt, not evidence of innocence.


7 posted on 02/14/2005 1:40:32 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: CitizenHelper



Rush had a legitimate medical problem for which he was prescribed pain medication.


8 posted on 02/14/2005 1:41:28 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: rface

"`Privacy rights cannot operate as an impenetrable shield to conceal, camouflage, or secrete evidence of criminal wrongdoing,'' Martz wrote."

BUT, the law must provide a court substantial PROOF that a crime has been committed.


The procecutor must, in all cases, show 'just cause' in asking for and receiving a search warrant.

Suspicion of a crime, based on 'gut feelings' is not enough.


9 posted on 02/14/2005 1:41:43 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: rface
I have wondered about something, and would like some opinions on it. It seems the libs are so intent on getting to Rush that perhaps they may be shooting themselves in the foot.

Roe v Wade was not a suit about a woman's right to have an abortion. It was a PRIVACY ruling. It basically made it impossible to enforce laws, like the one in Missouri in which it is a felony to cause the death of an unborn child thru the use of an instrument. Since medical records were considered to be part of the "doctor/client privilege" neither they could be subpoenaed nor medical staff summoned and questioned, in order to build such a case.

If they are able to get hold of Limbaughs medical records in this manner, have they not overturned Roe v Wade?
10 posted on 02/14/2005 1:42:26 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: writer33

The use of the word "illegally" is the only thing I need to see, to set he Journalista's point of view.


11 posted on 02/14/2005 1:42:42 PM PST by RushCrush (If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement. - Reagan)
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To: rface

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1329283/posts


12 posted on 02/14/2005 1:43:31 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: WindOracle

Good point!


13 posted on 02/14/2005 1:43:59 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("Oh no, not Hans Brix!")
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To: rface

The Screamer


The DNC calling the shots.

14 posted on 02/14/2005 1:44:11 PM PST by BellStar (Pray for our heroes...)
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To: RushCrush

Yep. And still no charges have been filed.


15 posted on 02/14/2005 1:44:37 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

And your point is?


16 posted on 02/14/2005 1:44:42 PM PST by CitizenHelper
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To: rface

``Privacy rights cannot operate as an impenetrable shield to conceal, camouflage, or secrete evidence of criminal wrongdoing,'' Martz wrote."

Seems to me the fonding fathers had a thing or two to say about the government authorities breaking down your door looking for evidence of some sort of crime...sorta like fishing for evidence.


17 posted on 02/14/2005 1:46:02 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: RushCrush

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1226407/posts


18 posted on 02/14/2005 1:46:47 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: writer33

Great article.
I've always said, you learn something new from Rush every day.

That can't be said from every talk show host. And was especially evident last week when Rush was gone. Some of his guest hosts left a LOT to be desired, IMO.


19 posted on 02/14/2005 1:48:25 PM PST by RushCrush (If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement. - Reagan)
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To: Dat Mon

You are right.

The term 'self incrimination' comes to mind.

This prosecutor needs to go back to law school.


20 posted on 02/14/2005 1:49:00 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: CitizenHelper

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1066987/posts


21 posted on 02/14/2005 1:49:53 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: writer33
"The first sentence tells you where the journalista stands."

You got that right! Rush doesn't merit an "alleged".

22 posted on 02/14/2005 1:49:57 PM PST by YaYa123 (@We Know What's Up With That.com)
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To: Bigh4u2
Not being a lawyer, I wonder...

The prosecutors haven't charged Rush with any crime - yet. Would it be permissible, during an investigation, for prosecutors to issue a search warrant to a bank of a suspected drug dealer, to follow his transactions to find out if he misbehaved?

Or would the the prosecutor's office have to allege the crime and methods and then present that to a judge to elicit a search warrant?

23 posted on 02/14/2005 1:50:13 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: RushCrush
Some of his guest hosts left a LOT to be desired, IMO.

Shhhhh! Do we really need him thinking he's that good? :)

24 posted on 02/14/2005 1:51:07 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: writer33
The prosecutor investigating whether Rush Limbaugh illegally purchased prescription painkillers told the Florida Supreme Court on Monday that investigators should be allowed to review the conservative radio commentator's medical records.

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You're right.

25 posted on 02/14/2005 1:51:40 PM PST by trisham
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To: Bigh4u2

Im sure he will be instructed in the 'nuances' of the law by the esteemed Florida Supreme Court.


26 posted on 02/14/2005 1:52:18 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

1. Would it be permissible, during an investigation, for prosecutors to issue a search warrant to a bank of a suspected drug dealer, to follow his transactions to find out if he misbehaved?

2. Or would the the prosecutor's office have to allege the crime and methods and then present that to a judge to elicit a search warrant?

Number 2


27 posted on 02/14/2005 1:53:24 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: rface

Does anyone have a dollar figure on how much this dog and pony show is costing the good people of Florida?

Just another stupid dog and pony show, paid for by we the taxpayers one way or another.

If anything was there worth charging him over, it would have come out when they bought off the maid. Obviously that wasn't enough, and I presume it wasn't enough for a judge to sign off on a warrant to seize the records, either. Otherwise, why risk doing it without a warrant? It doesn't make sense.


28 posted on 02/14/2005 1:54:34 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: CitizenHelper; LauraleeBraswell

Here point is this:



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1329283/posts


29 posted on 02/14/2005 1:55:27 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: CitizenHelper; LauraleeBraswell

Her point is also this:



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1226407/posts


30 posted on 02/14/2005 1:56:48 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: AZ_Cowboy
Since these records were 'seized' without a warrant, any information contained in them, critical or not, would be thrown out of any 'normal' court.
31 posted on 02/14/2005 1:57:33 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: Sgt_Schultze

There must be probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that the target of the investigation was the one who participated in committing it. It must be more than a suspician based on the fact that someone is a nefareous character.

The investigation must find at least a sufficient basis for obtaining a warrant.

In this case, I believe that the fact of the warrant was not the issue, it was that there is a state statute that specifically required notification of the target of the investigastion when it related to medical records, in particular, so that the target of the investigation could apply to the court before his confidential medical records were reviewed.


32 posted on 02/14/2005 1:57:37 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: LauraleeBraswell

but he was buying the drugs illegally. if any of us attempted to do the same with controlled substances we'd be in the slammer by now.


33 posted on 02/14/2005 1:57:52 PM PST by ny demimonde
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To: trisham
You're right.

Save that. It's a rarity. :)

34 posted on 02/14/2005 1:57:55 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: writer33

It doesn't matter what Rush thinks! It matters what WE think! :)


35 posted on 02/14/2005 1:58:52 PM PST by RushCrush (If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement. - Reagan)
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To: Bigh4u2; LachlanMinnesota

Thank you both.


36 posted on 02/14/2005 2:00:00 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: LachlanMinnesota; WindOracle
I have wondered about something, and would like some opinions on it. It seems the libs are so intent on getting to Rush that perhaps they may be shooting themselves in the foot. Roe v Wade was not a suit about a woman's right to have an abortion. It was a PRIVACY ruling. It basically made it impossible to enforce laws, like the one in Missouri in which it is a felony to cause the death of an unborn child thru the use of an instrument. Since medical records were considered to be part of the "doctor/client privilege" neither they could be subpoenaed nor medical staff summoned and questioned, in order to build such a case. If they are able to get hold of Limbaughs medical records in this manner, have they not overturned Roe v Wade?

Here you go. Any thoughts? This one came from WindOracle

37 posted on 02/14/2005 2:00:11 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: ny demimonde

And your evidence that he was buying drugs illegally is what?


38 posted on 02/14/2005 2:00:37 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: AZ_Cowboy

The want Rush out and will stoop to any means to accomplish it! They are so sad.


39 posted on 02/14/2005 2:00:42 PM PST by no1.tarhill (To God be the Glory!)
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To: ny demimonde


Allot of good people become addicted to those painkillers. Was Rush wrong? Yes. Should he go to prison? No.

I doubt you or I would go to prison over that.


40 posted on 02/14/2005 2:01:50 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: RushCrush
It doesn't matter what Rush thinks! It matters what WE think! :)

I know. I was using a bit of sarcasm. We determine whether he continues or not. And I don't see too many people jumping ship. How about you?

41 posted on 02/14/2005 2:02:53 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: writer33

I'm not jumping! he's the only one I learn anything from. I tell that to others as well.

Let me put it this way, I HATE football, yet I can happily listen to Rush talk about football.


42 posted on 02/14/2005 2:04:13 PM PST by RushCrush (If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement. - Reagan)
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To: YaYa123

This is why he matters and why the left hates him so:



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1329283/posts


43 posted on 02/14/2005 2:04:43 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: rface; RS
``Privacy rights cannot operate as an impenetrable shield to conceal, camouflage, or secrete evidence of criminal wrongdoing,'' Martz wrote. Limbaugh and his attorney, Roy Black, had no comment on Monday.

Bump

44 posted on 02/14/2005 2:05:38 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

The interesting thing about this prosecutors statement is that he wants Rush to throw away his rights, just so he can find evidence he can use against him.

His 'privacy' statement is very telling in that, if he were prosecuting Al Capone during the prohibition years, he would have found out that 'privacy' triumphs over 'states rights'.

I can be the worst criminal in the world, but unless you have 'hard facts' based on solid evidence, my 'rights' will win out everytime.


45 posted on 02/14/2005 2:05:49 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: RushCrush
Let me put it this way, I HATE football, yet I can happily listen to Rush talk about football.

Now you've completely lost my respect. :) Hehehehe! I'm only kidding!

And you're right on a serious note.

46 posted on 02/14/2005 2:06:23 PM PST by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: CitizenHelper
Rush might have to swallow the bitter pill of irony.

Why do you say that? Rush has never been a JBT fanboy, unlike the Drug War cherleaders that sometimes show up here.

47 posted on 02/14/2005 2:06:45 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
That's what I understood. That the prosecutors deliberately circumvented the statutory procedure to obtain the records before Rush or his lawyer knew about it.
48 posted on 02/14/2005 2:06:53 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: LachlanMinnesota; RS
And your evidence that he was buying drugs illegally is what?

The list of drugs and the dates they were purchased was attached to the affidavit for the search warrant. The amounts and dates overlap and is prima facia evidence of doctor shopping, a crime under florida law.

49 posted on 02/14/2005 2:07:14 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Bigh4u2
The interesting thing about this prosecutors statement is that he wants Rush to throw away his rights, just so he can find evidence he can use against him.

Um, the prosecutor already found the evidence he needs, Rush and Roy Black are trying to keep it out of Rush's criminal trial.

50 posted on 02/14/2005 2:08:27 PM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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