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Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)
NewsMax ^ | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 02/17/2005 4:58:53 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Sunday, Nov. 7, 2004

Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote

Bush-Cheney re-election architect Karl Rove gave credit on Sunday to the Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth for exposing John Kerry's anti-war past and energizing Republican voters to turn out at the polls.

Asked what role anti-Kerry ads sponsored by the Swiftvets played in Bush's re-election victory, Rove told "Fox News Sunday":

"They were made important by the fact that Senator Kerry, at his convention, really talked ... only about Vietnam."

The top White House adviser explained: "I was amazed by the people that I met around the country who were energized by that issue being discussed. ... I was really amazed by how strongly men and women who had served in Vietnam and in the armed forces felt about that."

Rove recalled that his uncle had done several tours of duty in Vietnam. "I've never been able to think of Colonel Verhi as somebody who would have 'raped and pillaged in a manner reminiscent of Genghis Khan,'" a reference to Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony where he accused Vietnam veterans of committing widespread atrocities.


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1 posted on 02/17/2005 4:58:54 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Defender2; Blue Scourge; armyman; Arrowhead1952; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; Jet Jaguar; ...

Thank You Karl Rove!

You have proven that those who say the GOP can't acknowledge the Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth
are wrong.

Thank You Karl Rove for standing up for Viet Nam Vets
that Kerry lied about in 1971!


2 posted on 02/17/2005 5:02:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Karl Rove, bump!!


3 posted on 02/17/2005 5:03:44 PM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kerry served in Viet Nam?


4 posted on 02/17/2005 5:04:01 PM PST by rocksblues (Liberalism is a sickness not a political ideology)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Ditto! What you said, and then some!


5 posted on 02/17/2005 5:05:02 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thank you for staying on top of this.

I was listening to some talking head just the other who said that John Kerry (or one of his minions) DOES consider Kerry the frontrunner for 2008.


6 posted on 02/17/2005 5:07:20 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Cold Heat

Hanoi Kerry is lucky tha Karl Rove is not in the US Senate!


7 posted on 02/17/2005 5:07:37 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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We Won!
8 posted on 02/17/2005 5:08:27 PM PST by jinkagrl ("I am shocked! ... Sort of." ~Rumsfeld)
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To: xzins

Can anyone name 1 so called MAIN Stream Right Wing Media
personality

(we know Russert on tv and Imus on radio from the Left have)

that has asked,

in 2005,

these questions?

"Asked Kerry when he will sign Form 180.

Or why Kerry is still in the US Senate.
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3

Or when Kerry will set the record straight
on his false testimony in April 71"

BUT he's still attacking President Bush in '05

Kerry Trashes Bush in Baghdad Jan '05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315333/posts

Kerry: Bush Still Hiding His Guard Records Feb '05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1341323/posts


9 posted on 02/17/2005 5:08:45 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
GOD BLESS KARL ROVE!

MERCIFUL GOD ALMIGHTY IN HEAVEN BLESS THE SWIFT BOAT VETS!

10 posted on 02/17/2005 5:10:37 PM PST by Enterprise
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The whipping boy of the hour Hannity had a big hand in this.


11 posted on 02/17/2005 5:11:43 PM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Keep after them, Tonk!!


12 posted on 02/17/2005 5:13:20 PM PST by LUV W ("THE ROAD OF PROVIDENCE IS UNEVEN AND UNPREDICTABLE-YET WE KNOW...IT LEADS TO FREEDOM!"GWB 2-2-05)
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To: Enterprise

Karl Rove and President Bush are true Patriots.

Hopefully the US Senate will do what is right
and what their job is.

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

Distribute these url's!

EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

MUST SEE WEBSITE!!!!

http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Full details on these url's!

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

There is a backup site
if the 1st url is unavailable.

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com


13 posted on 02/17/2005 5:14:03 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
The top White House adviser explained: "I was amazed by the people that I met around the country who were energized by that issue being discussed. ... I was really amazed by how strongly men and women who had served in Vietnam and in the armed forces felt about that."

I am amazed that Rove was amazed. He apparently doesn't get out much among the common folk. - tom

14 posted on 02/17/2005 5:16:22 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Nov3

"Hannity had a big hand in this"

We all did.

Some are still after Hanoi Kerry, some are not.

Hannity has kept quite, in 2005, for some reason.

BUT Hanoi Kerry still attacking President Bush in '05

Kerry Trashes Bush in Baghdad Jan '05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315333/posts

Kerry: Bush Still Hiding His Guard Records Feb '05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1341323/posts


15 posted on 02/17/2005 5:17:37 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Amen to your Whole Post, Tonk!


16 posted on 02/17/2005 5:18:25 PM PST by Kitty Mittens
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Yes, but we are still around, and will be for a while yet.

Judging by the way that even our current administration protected Clinton from further charges and investigation, I suspect Kerry may well be allowed to retire and disappear. But that does not mean I like it.

If he tries again, his butt is grass. He should have been mowed a long time ago. He is hiding under the Carter pardon and they don't want to open that can of worms.

Keep tryin Tonk! The threat of investigation factor alone must have a lot of weight. He is likely to do something egregiously stupid in the mean time.

17 posted on 02/17/2005 5:20:00 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I'm convinced that millions went to the Swift Vets that didn't go the the RNC. American citizens were captivated by the Swift Vets and felt more comfortable donating them to them, rather than some huge faceless political organization.

Revenge is sweet but more importantly, John Kerry was excluded from the White House. All hail John O'Neill, Admiral Roy Hoffman and their honorable brothers in arms!


18 posted on 02/17/2005 5:23:00 PM PST by dennisw (Seeing as how this is a 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world .........)
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To: All

I've said all along I'm a registered Independent.

And I voted for President Bush in 2000 and 2004

It would be nice to see all the GOP members who said
"the GOP can't acknowledge the Swift Boat Vets, etc"
stop and post why they think Karl Rove was wrong.

I've admitted I was wrong about my remarks about the elite GOP.
There are some stand up people in the GOP.

And CPAC is honoring Swift Boat Vets this week.

Conservatives (CPAC) Laud Swift Boat Veterans

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344216/posts

So what's wrong with the GOP who say
"This is illegal etc."

But Michael Moore of moveon.org with Jimmy Carter was ok?

I'm a bit confused?


19 posted on 02/17/2005 5:27:17 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Swift Boat vets bump


20 posted on 02/17/2005 5:27:39 PM PST by apackof2 (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: dennisw

"I'm convinced that millions went to the Swift Vets that didn't go the the RNC."

Real Republicans wouldn't mind this at all.

Because the objective was met.

Then there are the "other Republicans"

Fill in the blanks.


21 posted on 02/17/2005 5:30:15 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

...and Kerry STILL hasn't signed SF 180. Wonder why?
I love the SBVT guys and the best money I spent in 2004 was my contribution to them. Interesting the MSM never remarks on the fact that Bush won the veterans' vot in the 60-70% range, despite all of Kerry's prancing around on stage as a veteran.


22 posted on 02/17/2005 5:33:00 PM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

The question, of course, is why did Rove and the GOP *NEED* the Swift Boat Vets to tell the truth about John Kerry. Why couldn't Republicans bring it up themselves? Why was the news media completely uncurious about Kerry's claims and, in addition, completely silent about his obviously traitorous past?

Why was it left to John O'Neill and his fellow Swifties to take the mudslinging and arrows? Why did the Bush Administration lack the courage to attack the Senator themselves instead of using surrogates they could pretend to criticise?

My hat's off to the Swifties, of course, but I still question why the GOP couldn't swat these sort of lies down without the need of a side group to do the dirty work for them.


23 posted on 02/17/2005 5:33:22 PM PST by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thank You Karl Rove! You have proven that those who say the GOP can't acknowledge the Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth are wrong.

Rove's comments were very carefully phrased. He wasn't openly thanking the Swiftvets or crediting them with Bush's victory. He was simply offering a political observation to the effect that they did have an influence.

That's all you're ever going to get out of Rove or any other official from the Bush campaign. The Swift Boat Veterans were an independent 527 organization which did not act in concert with the Bush campaign, and the Bush campaign will never suggest anything to the contrary.

Nor would the Swiftvets want the Bush campaign to claim otherwise. The Swiftvets maintained all along that their objective was to keep Kerry out of the White House, not to re-elect Bush.

24 posted on 02/17/2005 5:36:34 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: dennisw
I'm convinced that millions went to the Swift Vets that didn't go the the RNC. American citizens were captivated by the Swift Vets and felt more comfortable donating them to them, rather than some huge faceless political organization.

...that could have given the money to somebody like Arlen Specter.

You're describing me. I gave twice to the Swifties. I didn't give a dime (except volunteer work) to the Republicans. I knew which group was doing the heavy lifting in this campaign.

25 posted on 02/17/2005 5:37:49 PM PST by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Hannity has kept quite, in 2005, for some reason.

He is in the news business and it is yesterdays news. Myself, I would pay 5% of my yearly salary to see the 180 signed and all the documents released.

26 posted on 02/17/2005 5:38:50 PM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: rocksblues

I thought he was in Cambodia one Christmas .


27 posted on 02/17/2005 5:42:51 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Nov3

"He is in the news business and it is yesterdays news."

Guess he missed the traitor's trip last month.

Kerry Meets With Syrian President Jan 05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1316737/posts


28 posted on 02/17/2005 5:43:14 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I was amazed by the people that I met around the country who were energized by that issue being discussed. ...

I was amazed that the Republicans did not emphasize that John Kerry perjured himself before Congress when he claimed that he committed and witnessed atrocities in Vietnam. That testimony was raw dynamite then and remains so today.

The Swiftboat Vets carried the ball and took the heat--just like they did during the war.

You owe them big time, Rove.
29 posted on 02/17/2005 5:44:16 PM PST by cgbg (How evil is Hillary? Let me count the ways...)
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To: Tall_Texan
The question, of course, is why did Rove and the GOP *NEED* the Swift Boat Vets to tell the truth about John Kerry. Why couldn't Republicans bring it up themselves? Why was the news media completely uncurious about Kerry's claims and, in addition, completely silent about his obviously traitorous past?

If Bush or the Republican Party has pushed the issue, it would have been seen as just the usual mudslinging which is endemic to all races. Only the Swift Boat Veterans -- elderly gentlemen who had served in Vietnam when Kerry was there and who could speak from personal knowledge and who had no apparent motive for lying -- had the credibility to expose Kerry's fabrications.

As to why the news media was completely incurious, I assume that's a rhetorical question. They were in the tank for Kerry, more openly and brazenly than in any Presidential election that I can recall, and they knew that this could be the deathknell of his Presidential hopes. As it indeed was.

30 posted on 02/17/2005 5:45:35 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: dpwiener

"Rove's comments were very carefully phrased. He wasn't openly thanking the Swiftvets or crediting them with Bush's victory. He was simply offering a political observation to the effect that they did have an influence."

This is where he hit a home run!

"Rove recalled that his uncle had done several tours of duty in Vietnam. "I've never been able to think of Colonel Verhi as somebody who would have 'raped and pillaged in a manner reminiscent of Genghis Khan,'" a reference to Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony where he accused Vietnam veterans of committing widespread atrocities."

He dared to call Hanoi Kerry's 1971 a farce and a disgrace.

Not even the media is willing to do that.


31 posted on 02/17/2005 5:46:03 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: Tall_Texan
IMHO
Because the MSM would not and still won't cover President Bush's administration adequately or accurately.
I do not have cable TV.(My personal choice)
If I did not have Internet access, the only words I would have heard from the POTUS would have been the State of the Union, and the debates.
During the Clinton years, the MSM covered him 24/7.Every single day it seemed I saw is face on TV.I remember because it sincerely ticked me off.
What the MSM has done to President Bush is what they tried to do to President Reagan:Ignore him as much as possible, unless they thought they could ridicule him.
I had "alternative" sources then for factual information.(DOD)
We all, thank goodness, have alternative sources nowadays.
32 posted on 02/17/2005 6:32:33 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I am a long time Republican activists that was proud to send money to the Swift Boats and not to RNC right before that documentary came out that Sinclair didn't show but was everywhere on the Net! Best return on a donation I ever made.


33 posted on 02/17/2005 6:52:49 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"he looks so harmless..."


34 posted on 02/17/2005 6:53:05 PM PST by bitt (Kerry "Hanoi"s me)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Grate post Tonk!

Bumping it...


35 posted on 02/17/2005 7:04:54 PM PST by Syncro
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To: dennisw

I got to meet John O'Neill at a book signing/dinner/party/speech in Houston last year. What a fine man he is. Just delightful! We all enjoyed his speech and meeting him. If you get the chance to meet him and hear him speak in person, it is GREAT~


36 posted on 02/17/2005 7:06:08 PM PST by buffyt (It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

I don't know if you all know that C-Span 1(or 2)will televise Zell Miller giving the John O'Neill and the Swiftees an award at CPAC. I believe the time is 8:30p.m.EST(5:30p.m.PAC).I'm very much looking forward to watching it.


37 posted on 02/17/2005 7:11:23 PM PST by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Some may forget but I will not.

For the rest of my years, I will remember the Swift Boat Vets and the POWs for Truth as the key force in keeping traitor John Kerry from serving as Commander in Chief.


38 posted on 02/17/2005 7:11:25 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: Tall_Texan

Because they had the feel of being fair and impartial individuals, who knew Kerry personally.

George W Bush doesn't know Kerry personally, in anything but the most superficial way.

Neither does anyone else in politics.

But there were people who saw him in command, in an executive position. That's the best comparison to the Presidency you can get. Certainly much more telling than anything he did as Senator.

What did Kerry do when charged with great responsibility, that he himself said he was proud of? That's what the swift vets told us, and that's why it was uniquely their story to tell.

D


39 posted on 02/17/2005 7:19:02 PM PST by daviddennis (;)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Gotta LOVE that guy!


40 posted on 02/17/2005 7:24:02 PM PST by joyce11111
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thank You Karl Rove for standing up for Viet Nam Vets

BUMP to that Tonkin!

41 posted on 02/17/2005 7:32:22 PM PST by potlatch (Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thank You Karl Rove! You have proven that those who say the GOP can't acknowledge the Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth are wrong. Thank You Karl Rove for standing up for Viet Nam Vets that Kerry lied about in 1971!

Mega-giga-tera dittoes!

42 posted on 02/17/2005 7:52:49 PM PST by CDB
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"Yea, verily, yea!"

Thanks Tonk!

43 posted on 02/17/2005 8:05:20 PM PST by onedoug
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To: dennisw

>>I'm convinced that millions went to the Swift Vets that didn't go the the RNC. American citizens were captivated by the Swift Vets and felt more comfortable donating them to them, rather than some huge faceless political organization.

I sent 1.5X to the SwiftVets, what I sent to the Bush Campaign.

I still want to see that 180 signed, and to see the results of that.


44 posted on 02/17/2005 8:08:46 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I prolly shouldn't say trhis after a few libations.....but...Tonk....You're the best


45 posted on 02/17/2005 8:11:59 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

>> I was really amazed by how strongly men and women who had served in Vietnam and in the armed forces felt about that [ROVE].

I enlisted and reenlisted during the Vietnam War. Two of my best friends were killed in Nam, and my 1st cousin was wounded. Kerry slandered them!

If Kerry was convicted of treason (and he should be), I would volunteer to serve on the firing squad. No, I would insist I serve on it.


46 posted on 02/17/2005 8:18:13 PM PST by PhilipFreneau (Congress is defined as the United States Senate and House of Representatives; now read 1st Amendment)
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To: PhilipFreneau

A better punishment for his Treason would be him, in a cage,
like in the Hanoi Hilton, only in front of The Wall for all to see.

Day, after day, after day. ETC.


47 posted on 02/17/2005 8:25:30 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I'll second that:

Thank You Karl Rove!

You have proven that those who say the GOP can't acknowledge the Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth are wrong.

Thank You Karl Rove for standing up for Viet Nam Vets that Kerry lied about in 1971!

48 posted on 02/17/2005 8:27:17 PM PST by GOPJ (Troll post:...when everything sounds like a lefty view of the Right)
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To: Tall_Texan

"why did Rove and the GOP *NEED* the Swift Boat Vets to tell the truth about John Kerry."

As soon as the RNC or Bush campaign had brought it up, the press would have tangled it up inextricably with the BS about GW's ANG service, and made it a moral equivalence and thus neutralized it. They also would have given voice to the 'rats so they could challenge the "AWOL" Bush's credibility.

Much of the power of the Swiftees' campaign was its asymmetry. While GW took the high road, Kerry had to deal with this guerrilla insurgency. He was seen ultimately as fighting accusers from his own past instead of the President.

A bad position for a candidate.


49 posted on 02/17/2005 9:01:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tall_Texan

The message coming from the politicians would sound like hollow mudslinging..It had to be done by the vets. They were the ones who were there and had the credibility to tell the story..

.They were not tainted by partisan politics and it was their honor and service that was slimed by Kerry..It would never have been so powerful done by anyone but the ones who lived it and suffered by Kerry's words and activities with the Viet Cong in Paris.

GOD BLESS THE SWIFTBOAT VETERANS..


50 posted on 02/17/2005 9:02:58 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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