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A Way to Save Terri Schiavo
wotan | Feb 18, 2005 | wotan

Posted on 02/18/2005 6:25:20 AM PST by wotan

Here's a way Jeb Bush may be able to save Terry Schiavo: Open an investigation into the possible assault that led to her comatose condition. Have the state pay for her maintenance to "preserve the evidence" and pay for language therapy for her so she can tell us what she knows about how she got into the coma. It struck me that the reason her husband wants her dead might be because he's afraid of what she'll say if she recovers. I don't see how a judge could possibly deny the state the right to preserve evidence of a serious assault.

Hope she's not dead yet.


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1 posted on 02/18/2005 6:25:23 AM PST by wotan
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To: wotan

Good idea. It would also help if the judge would get off his butt and go see her himself.


2 posted on 02/18/2005 6:26:36 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: wotan; Lady In Blue; Canticle_of_Deborah; MarMema; kimmie7; floriduh voter; JulieRNR21; ...

Ping to some interested parties.


3 posted on 02/18/2005 6:29:03 AM PST by wotan
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To: wotan

What serious assault? She had a heart attack.


4 posted on 02/18/2005 6:29:56 AM PST by Kleon
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To: wotan

That sounds like a good idea. I hope someone will do it. I've always thought the reason that her lousy husband wants her dead is because he's guilty and is afraid she will be able to tell what he did to her should she regain the ability to speak again.


5 posted on 02/18/2005 6:32:08 AM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN, NO PC, NO BS, NO MSM, NO WHINY @SS LIBERAL BEDWETTERS, NO LIBERAL JUDGES! YEAH!)
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To: Kleon

A quote from another thread. I'm not sure that it's true.

"There is evidence that Michael traumatized Terri by physically abusing her (x-rays from 1991). The family has even offered NOT to pursue charges against him for possible abuse and attempted murder. He still won't bite. Perhaps he fears if evidence is compiled against him the family won't be able to stop the authorities from his prosecution."


6 posted on 02/18/2005 6:33:15 AM PST by wotan
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To: wotan

In order to open a criminal investigation, as you are suggesting, evidence must exist that a crime has been committed. I think that's the crucial piece missing.


7 posted on 02/18/2005 6:52:01 AM PST by dmz
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To: wotan

If an assault was the reason for her being in this state, then what would happen with the malpractice settlement that has been keeping her alive all these years?


8 posted on 02/18/2005 6:54:26 AM PST by Kleon
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To: wotan

She is NOT going to ever recover or learn speak. CAT scans have revealed SHE HAS NO BRAIN!!!! just a couple of shriveled masses where most of here brain should be. If you people are so compassionate, put yourself in HER bed and tell me what your widhes would be.


9 posted on 02/18/2005 7:19:39 AM PST by RadioActive2 (www.stevemitton.com)
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To: wotan

She is NOT going to ever recover or learn speak. CAT scans have revealed SHE HAS NO BRAIN!!!! just a couple of shriveled masses where most of here brain should be. If you people are so compassionate, put yourself in HER bed and tell me what your wishes would be.


10 posted on 02/18/2005 7:20:21 AM PST by RadioActive2 (www.stevemitton.com)
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To: RadioActive2

But there's VIDEO of her making eye contact and responding to stimuli.


11 posted on 02/18/2005 7:22:28 AM PST by Kleon
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To: RadioActive2
...."SHE HAS NO BRAIN!!!".....

If that is the only qualifier for feeding, lets starve all the Democrat's!

12 posted on 02/18/2005 7:24:55 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
"CAT scans have revealed SHE HAS NO BRAIN!!!!"

I had no idea she was a Democrat.

13 posted on 02/18/2005 7:29:11 AM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: wotan

Even easier -- that person masquerading as Terri's husband could sign over guardianship to her parents, walk away and leave her in peace. Unfortunately, that piece of excrement will never do it.


14 posted on 02/18/2005 7:41:03 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: RadioActive2

Yawn.


15 posted on 02/18/2005 8:15:21 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: Polyxene
He is hardened in his sin, at minimum adultery,and possibly attempted murder as well. He wants his sin[s] covered by his own schemes. I like your tagline; here's fun story about Luther.Someone remarked to Luther {after hearing about justification by faith),"If this is true a person could live as he pleased." "Indeed!"answered Luther, "Now what pleases you?"
16 posted on 02/18/2005 8:23:24 AM PST by Lysshua (grace is for the repentant)
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To: wotan

Agreed, this is one of the best ideas I've read .


17 posted on 02/18/2005 8:27:23 AM PST by Lysshua (grace is for the repentant)
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To: wotan

It really is that simple.


18 posted on 02/18/2005 8:33:08 AM PST by bjs1779 (Terri is a witness to a possible ongoing homicide attempt. She should be put in protective custody.)
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To: wotan
ATTENTION FRIDAY NIGHT TELEVISION AND INTERNET:

The parents of Terri Schiavo, Bob and Mary Schindler will be discussing her story, recent case developments and more with Paula Zahn tonight (February 18, 2005) on CNN's Paula Zahn Now. The program airs at 8.00pm ET (GMT-5).

Additionally, Schindler attorney, David Gibbs, will be on EWTN's The World Over at 8.00pm ET (GMT-5) with updates on the legal battle to protect Terri Schiavo's life.

You can find your local channel on http://tv.yahoo.com/.

EWTN's web site - www.ewtn.com

Paula Zahn's web site -

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/paula.zahn.now/

19 posted on 02/18/2005 3:04:00 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI VIDEOS at www.terrisfight.org & visit www.theempirejournal.com (BIG NEWS))
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To: wotan; floriduh voter; phenn; cyn; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; Pegita; windchime; tutstar; ...

Terri ping! If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!


20 posted on 02/18/2005 5:23:33 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: wotan

bump


21 posted on 02/18/2005 5:26:15 PM PST by ItCanHappenToYou
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To: wotan

Hi wotan,

well well well--will you just look at the trolls coming out
tonight.tsk*tsk*tsk




22 posted on 02/18/2005 5:41:08 PM PST by Chocolate Rose (FOR HONEST NEWS REPORTING GET THE SCOOP HERE : www.theEmpireJournal.com/)
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To: theDentist

Info. on BlogBurst for Terri and contact numbers, etc. of officials to call and petitions to participate in. Any additions send to pc93

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1333205/posts?page=1958#1958

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1333205/posts?page=1960#1960


23 posted on 02/18/2005 5:49:40 PM PST by pc93
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To: Kleon

Terri's heart attack is like John Kerry's 3 purple hearts.


24 posted on 02/18/2005 5:52:59 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: wotan
>> I don't see how a judge could possibly deny the state the right to preserve evidence of a serious assault.

This one already did. Greer ruled that just such evidence was, so to speak, out of court. The evidence of assault is in her bone scan and he refused to look at it or admit it as evidence.

It gets much worse. Greer also approved Michael Schiavo's request to cremate Terri immediately after killing her. This is contrary to Terri's religious beliefs. The only reason to do this would be to destroy the evidence that Terri was brutally assaulted.

Greer thoughtfully allowed Terri to pay for her cremation out of funds awarded for her therapy.

25 posted on 02/18/2005 6:10:14 PM PST by T'wit (I was so moved by Stephanie Tubbs Jones's call for honest voting, I demand recounts in blue states.)
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To: RadioActive2

If she is as brain shriveled as you say, she would require a ventilator in order to breathe.


26 posted on 02/18/2005 6:13:48 PM PST by tertiary01 (Learned in the school of hard knocks.)
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To: T'wit
Greer thoughtfully allowed Terri to pay for her cremation out of funds awarded for her therapy.

You have a way with words that makes me upset! Only because if there are no funds left in the medical award account due to lawyers fees, he will probably tell Terri's parents to pay for the cremation. That would be Michael's ultimate organism.

27 posted on 02/18/2005 6:20:48 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: bjs1779

There's still some money in that account. Besides, the Schindlers would never pay for that unless they could have an autopsy performed first. Michael can't have his cake and eat it, too.


28 posted on 02/18/2005 6:28:23 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
There's still some money in that account. Besides, the Schindlers would never pay for that unless they could have an autopsy performed first. Michael can't have his cake and eat it, too.

My morale must be getting down tonight. I can see that happening because they have been pooped on every step of the way so far.

29 posted on 02/18/2005 6:37:55 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1345474/posts?q=1&&page=1 - POST #15

Did you listen to this? What I heard just astounded me!! It was the first time I ever heard this.

30 posted on 02/18/2005 6:40:07 PM PST by LADY J
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To: RadioActive2

Terri has already voted to live by surviving all the adversity she has had thrown at her. After all if you deny her instruction to relearn to talk, then she has to communicate in other ways....and don't give me any further crap about her brain, etc etc. I've taken care of lots of people like Terri, some have even relearned to walk. She has lots of potential for rehab.

People can WILL themselves to die, you know, and she's had plenty of time and opportunity to do so.


31 posted on 02/18/2005 6:46:47 PM PST by tertiary01 (Learned in the school of hard knocks.)
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To: RadioActive2

You sound like Felos. You put "She has no brain in caps", so therefore it must be true.

There have been plenty of doctors that say she has a brain and can be rehabilitated. Look at the video for heaven's sake. The woman is brain damaged, but anyone can see she is alive and responds to people. Nurses have testified that she has said a few words, and she still tries to say some of them despite being refused therapy by her husband-in-name-only. He has a common-law marriage with another woman, and can't wait for Terri to die.


32 posted on 02/18/2005 6:47:32 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: LADY J
Did you listen to this? What I heard just astounded me!! It was the first time I ever heard this.

I thought it was good too Lady J. He is an honest person and a great doctor.

33 posted on 02/18/2005 6:48:54 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: bjs1779

Hey, it happens to the best of us! I think I was really down in the dumps last Friday, cause I thought Gibbs had an especially great brief for Greer. How long have you been watching Terri's case so intensely? You've been a busy beaver for her, and that seems to be when the wear and tear really begins to set in.


34 posted on 02/18/2005 6:54:07 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: RadioActive2

Can you point me to some evidence of this CAT scan? If it's true, I'd have to agree with you.


35 posted on 02/18/2005 6:56:34 PM PST by Melas
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To: tertiary01

Untrue. An intact brain stem is all you need to maintain respiration.


36 posted on 02/18/2005 6:57:04 PM PST by Melas
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To: LADY J

I have only heard about 30 minutes of it, but what I have heard is great! I have to somehow get hold of another computer to listen to the whole thing. The one I work off of is old and has no sound card. : ( I have to sync up with someone in my family who would be willing to loan me theirs for the 90 minute duration.


37 posted on 02/18/2005 6:58:22 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Kleon
If an assault was the reason for her being in this state, then what would happen with the malpractice settlement that has been keeping her alive all these years?

In what way has the malpractice settlement been keeping her alive? Feeding tubes are quite cheap to administer; Terri's parents could probably care for her at less cost now than when she was a teenager.

38 posted on 02/18/2005 7:01:21 PM PST by supercat (Better to have egg on one's face than blood on one's hands.)
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To: Melas

Have you ever seen any of the videos of Terri?


39 posted on 02/18/2005 7:01:31 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: wotan
After a little research, I've come to the conclusion that they should let what's left of this woman die. I've followed these threads for a long, long time now, and no one ever bothered to mention this tidbit:

Over the span of this last decade, Theresa's brain has deteriorated because of the lack of oxygen it suffered at the time of the heart attack. By mid 1996, the CAT scans of her brain showed a severely abnormal structure. At this point, much of her cerebral cortex is simply gone and has been replaced by cerebral spinal fluid. Medicine cannot cure this condition. Unless an act of God, a true miracle, were to recreate her brain, Theresa will always remain in an unconscious, reflexive state, totally dependent upon others to feed her and care for her most private needs (emphasis added).

I have a hunch if that if every post about Terri included the fact that she's been decerebrated, that this wouldn't even be an issue.

40 posted on 02/18/2005 7:03:20 PM PST by Melas
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How long have you been watching Terri's case so intensely?

Only for the last month or so. I was very concerned back in 2003, but I thought Jeb had solved that. Instinct took over...

41 posted on 02/18/2005 7:04:00 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: RadioActive2

Your source of information?


42 posted on 02/18/2005 7:04:45 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: wotan

excellent idea! Write him


43 posted on 02/18/2005 7:04:55 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: ArmyTeach
They ain't got nothing.
44 posted on 02/18/2005 7:06:45 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: Melas

Must be why her original doctors said she had full change of recovery. Who's the lamebrain here?


45 posted on 02/18/2005 7:09:31 PM PST by pc93
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To: wotan
As another alternative, how about playing the role of Olivia/Portia(*) if/when the feeding tube is removed and having some state officials ensure that proper bona fide efforts are made to give Terri food and water orally? If such efforts have any measure whatsoever of success, any basis for tying to kill Terri vanishes. If the evidence gained by such efforts is called into question, Jeb Bush could claim a necessity defense--Judge Greer's statements that his intention was to kill Terri Schiavo would indicate that intervention was necessary to save her life. In addition, I think one could seek a ruling even beyond that indicating that the order to remove the feeding tube voids the order against oral food and hydration, on the basis that it is illegal to cause death by withholding oral food and hydration.
(*)I hope my Shakespeare reference is right here
The situation would be roughly analagous to having an order forbidding a patient from receiving anything other than Ensure® brand food (not illegal, in and of itself) and simultaneously imposing an order forbidding the administration of Ensure® brand food (also not illegal, in and of itself). The two orders individually would be valid, but could not both be valid simultaneously.

That having been said, I would think it might be better for Bush to forego the niceties of formally voiding Greer's oral-feeding order and simply disregard it. If he hired someone good to attempt the oral feeding, the risks should be minimal; what's important is to ensure that Michael can't attempt unsupervised "oral feeding" himself.

46 posted on 02/18/2005 7:09:47 PM PST by supercat (Better to have egg on one's face than blood on one's hands.)
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To: Melas

With all due respect, I'd have to guess that you've never seen the videos of her, have you? There's somebody in there. If she'd been given therapy early on there'd probably be a LOT MORE of her in there. Her husband is a dog.


47 posted on 02/18/2005 7:11:59 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: pc93

full chance.. basically that she could be expected to gain a full recovery.


48 posted on 02/18/2005 7:12:17 PM PST by pc93
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To: Melas

Let me guess your source...ummm...how about the 2nd DCA ruling back in 2001?


49 posted on 02/18/2005 7:14:56 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: wotan

Another tactic: if she's "dead" already (in the husband's opinion), sue for wrongful death and put the would be murderers on the defensive.


50 posted on 02/18/2005 7:16:16 PM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child. "Fetus" means "young one".)
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