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Gay-free texts a dilemma for school district
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 2/18/05 | Mark Eddington

Posted on 02/18/2005 1:00:51 PM PST by colorcountry

The topic of homosexuality is taboo in the Nebo School District.

So the school district in southern Utah County is having trouble finding a replacement for outmoded psychology textbooks at its three high schools.

Priscilla Leek, a Springville High School psychology teacher who sits on a district committee that reviews teaching materials, says the world has changed in the seven years since the district last chose a psychology textbook.

"Most publishers have now included small amounts - a paragraph or couple of pages - in texts about homosexuality," Leek said. "I don't teach homosexuality. But if it appears in a textbook, there's nothing I can do to keep students from reading it."

Despite their difficulty in finding new basic-level psychology schoolbooks, Nebo school board members told Leek and others this week to keep on looking.

State law bans teachers or texts from advocating homosexuality, but Nebo District's policy is more restrictive.

"Our policy is that it will not be taught unless it is teaching the negative consequences thereof," said Nedra Call, Nebo's director of curriculum.

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: education; homosexualagenda; indoctrination; psychology; textbooks
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1 posted on 02/18/2005 1:00:53 PM PST by colorcountry
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To: colorcountry
"Our policy is that it will not be taught unless it is teaching the negative consequences thereof," said Nedra Call, Nebo's director of curriculum.

Cajones.

2 posted on 02/18/2005 1:07:22 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: colorcountry

Bump for text book publishers to take note.


MANY states have laws which PROHIBIT homsoexuality to be taught as a positive lifestyle.

http://www.findlaw.com


3 posted on 02/18/2005 1:08:08 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: colorcountry

I agree with the Utah state law. But we can probably expect the communist ACLU (which stands for Anti-Christian Liberal Union) to jump all over this.


4 posted on 02/18/2005 1:08:13 PM PST by wk4bush2004
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To: colorcountry

They should see if NARTH will produce the textbooks for them.


5 posted on 02/18/2005 1:08:21 PM PST by deepFR
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To: colorcountry
How exactly does a psychology text book become "outmoded"?

Are people who were mentally ill last year not ill this year?
6 posted on 02/18/2005 1:08:52 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: L98Fiero

same law is in texas which recently ordered a text book maker to ensure marriage is one MAN and one WOMAN.

But texas is big enough to have shoving power.


7 posted on 02/18/2005 1:09:27 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: colorcountry

Psychology in high school? Well, good luck to them. Maybe they could find something from a reprint publisher, or use copies of articles.


8 posted on 02/18/2005 1:10:16 PM PST by Tax-chick ( The old woman who lives in the 15-passenger van.)
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To: deepFR

I knew if I posted this, some good ideas would surface.

Thanks!


9 posted on 02/18/2005 1:11:27 PM PST by colorcountry (Before you go waving your flag you better know what it stands for...)
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To: BenLurkin
naw it's pretty easy for them to get out dated. It's not like math that doesn't change

2+2 = 4 until the socialist left comes along and changes that to 2+2 =5 ;)

usually you see the treatments that get changed more so then the illness. thing like electroshock therapy (which is somehow coming back little by little now) and lobotomies used to be "good" ideas now that doesn't happen so much.
10 posted on 02/18/2005 1:11:41 PM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: BenLurkin

The insides can become dated. (pictures of people etc.)

References can become irrelevant. (commitment to mental hospitals in the USSR as political control.)


11 posted on 02/18/2005 1:12:19 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: BenLurkin
Are people who were mentally ill last year not ill this year?

That's precisely correct ... and people who were not mentally ill last year (maybe they were just annoying, or unhappy) are now mentally ill.

12 posted on 02/18/2005 1:12:40 PM PST by Tax-chick ( The old woman who lives in the 15-passenger van.)
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To: BenLurkin

They will find more common sense in 'outmoded' texts, I might suggest. We have 1958 World Books. They are wonderful. Nothing PC in them. Psychology probably made more sense back then too.


13 posted on 02/18/2005 1:13:00 PM PST by bboop
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To: wk4bush2004
we can probably expect the communist ACLU (which stands for Anti-Christian Liberal Union) to jump all over this.

We'll soon find out whether it's Anti-Mormon, too.

14 posted on 02/18/2005 1:13:11 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: L98Fiero
""There are students [in the Nebo District] who will grow up to be gay. To not give them any exposure or education on homosexuality is unfortunate and only contributes to the difficulty gay people have in our society.""

A lot less of them will choose to be homosexuals if they are not exposed to it or if the exposure is negative.
Good for the Nebo School District.
15 posted on 02/18/2005 1:13:55 PM PST by Tweaker
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To: BenLurkin
How exactly does a psychology text book become "outmoded"?

Does "lobotomy" ring a bell?

16 posted on 02/18/2005 1:14:23 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: L98Fiero
"Our policy is that it will not be taught unless it is teaching the negative consequences thereof," said Nedra Call, Nebo's director of curriculum.

Wow, this requires breathtaking courage nowadays. Bravo, Nebo!!!

17 posted on 02/18/2005 1:14:36 PM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Tax-chick

The article goes on to say...(finding appropriate Textbooks)... might prove impossible, but says students' educational experience will not be adversely impacted if they are forced to do without a book.
"I can find current research material, selected readings and we have the Internet," Leek said. "I mean we're not living in a cave."


18 posted on 02/18/2005 1:14:41 PM PST by colorcountry (Before you go waving your flag you better know what it stands for...)
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To: colorcountry
"O brave new world, to have no such creatures in it."

I suppose it's an improvement over teaching "they" should be burned at the stake, however.
19 posted on 02/18/2005 1:14:47 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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To: wk4bush2004

I'm surprised the child predators of GLSEN (Fistgate) hasn't been there yet.


20 posted on 02/18/2005 1:16:04 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: BenLurkin
Are people who were mentally ill last year not ill this year?

That's sort of what happened around 1975 when homosexuality was removed from the DSM which is the bible of shrinks. That removal was the start of homo's coming out of the closet and has lead to the demands for special laws and "gay marriage" which is an oxymoron. The reason the shrinks removed homosexuality as a mental illness was that so many of the shrinks were homo's.

21 posted on 02/18/2005 1:16:19 PM PST by An American In Dairyland
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To: newgeezer

"How exactly does a psychology text book become "outmoded"?"

I think few people remember that homosexuality was only removed from DSM as a psychological disorder in the early 1970's.


22 posted on 02/18/2005 1:16:40 PM PST by deepFR
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To: colorcountry

No problem; best of luck to you.


23 posted on 02/18/2005 1:18:07 PM PST by deepFR
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To: deepFR

There is also that brief period when PEDOPHILLIA was removed from the DSM and then put back in under a later issued addendum.

The APA is a joke, it like the ABA and the AMA is VOLUNTARY.


24 posted on 02/18/2005 1:19:58 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: colorcountry
Stop teaching psychology in high school and the problem goes away.

Most of psychology is utter nonsense anyway. I have read dozens of books on this and the only one that even started to make any sense was Nathaniel Branden's "The Psychology of Self-Esteem" and even Branden admitted the information was his best guess based on his clinical experience.

Thomas Szasz has written some great books on the fraud of Freud and other psychologists and psychiatrists.

The fact that the American Psychiatric Society reversed themselves on the homosexuality issue due to political pressure tells you all you need to know about those quacks.

:-(
25 posted on 02/18/2005 1:20:22 PM PST by cgbg (How evil is Hillary? Let me count the ways...)
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To: wk4bush2004

I thought ACLU = American Criminal Liberties Union.


26 posted on 02/18/2005 1:21:02 PM PST by BitWielder1
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To: longtermmemmory

and after seven years of rough handling, they collectively get damaged.


27 posted on 02/18/2005 1:21:20 PM PST by OriginalChristian (W2 - Rock On...)
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To: BenLurkin
How exactly does a psychology text book become "outmoded"?

The "older" texts do not even consider Christianity to be a mental illness...

28 posted on 02/18/2005 1:22:52 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: BenLurkin

There have been huge technological advances which have enabled researchers to gain very specific knowledge about neurochemistry and the physical functioning of the brain, which just didn't exist 10-15 years ago. One example is the imaging technology which has allowed comparisons of male and female brains working on the same task -- in boys/men a very task-specific area in the brain shows huge activity while the rest remains dark; in girls/women, that task-specific area lights up more than the rest, but not as much as in the male brains, and many other parts of the brain light up to a lesser but very significant degree.

This sort of new knowledge is very important in fighting various ignorance-based assumptions of recent decades, including the nonsense that gender differences in intellectual performance are entirely due to "sexist" socialization. Havrad President Lawrence Summers used another example in his "controversial" statements about gender differences, pointing out that many mental problems which used to be attributed to socialization/parenting styles, etc. have since been found to be genetic/organic in origin. The key example he used was autism, which leading psychology and medical researchers once generally agreed was due to personality problems in the parents affecting how they interacted with their children. Now that advanced brain-imaging techniques are available, researchers have found very clear abnormalities in how certain areas of the brain grow in autistic children.


29 posted on 02/18/2005 1:23:17 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: cgbg

Consider that BF Skinner teaches behavior is LEARNED and he is the father of modern psychology.

YET, homo-recruiters like the GLSEN, PFLAG, and the GSA (student sex club) come in and say behavior is "born".


They might as well say "born to party".


30 posted on 02/18/2005 1:23:32 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: BitWielder1

It can be both. They're Anti-Christian and a bunch of liberal communist liberty-snatching criminals.


31 posted on 02/18/2005 1:24:42 PM PST by wk4bush2004
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To: tfecw
2+2 = 4 until the socialist left comes along and changes that to 2+2 =5 ;)

Socialists claim that 2+2=5 but actually, under socialist rule 2+2=3 or less.
32 posted on 02/18/2005 1:25:04 PM PST by BitWielder1
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To: colorcountry

Thanks ... I should have figured they'd thought of it. Cheaper for the school district, as well as giving them control over the content.


33 posted on 02/18/2005 1:27:00 PM PST by Tax-chick ( The old woman who lives in the 15-passenger van.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I just want to be clear. You are discussing medical advances that concern the brain.

Psychology and psychiatry are touchy-feely opinions about personality.

Physical brain damage is a medical problem. While psychiatry would love to "muscle in" on that territory they are only doing so to try to legtimize their bogus profession.

In my opinion one hundred years from now psychiatry will be considered as laughable as the Nazi head size experiments are today.
34 posted on 02/18/2005 1:27:30 PM PST by cgbg (How evil is Hillary? Let me count the ways...)
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To: BitWielder1

Ahh gotcha...my double think isn't up to speed.


35 posted on 02/18/2005 1:31:10 PM PST by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier then working)
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To: colorcountry
So the school district in southern Utah County is having trouble finding a replacement for outmoded psychology textbooks at its three high schools.

Easy fix: just go to some used-book warehouse, or find some old closed schools that haven't yet been razed, and collect the textbooks of 40 years ago or older. The upside to this is that the children might actually learn something.

36 posted on 02/18/2005 1:33:30 PM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide. And screw political correctness: Islam is the Religion of Death)
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To: cgbg
And, since that apparently is your profession, I want to be clear about one more thing. Caring for people with brain damage (or any other people who need help) is called social work. There is no more "science" of social work than there is "science" of psychology or psychiatry.

Calling wild-ass guesses "science" is what many people do today.

If that is what you are doing today just remember that some of us out there are on to your "schtick".
37 posted on 02/18/2005 1:34:19 PM PST by cgbg (How evil is Hillary? Let me count the ways...)
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To: cgbg

I recently took an introductory psychology class at a local college. It was very heavy on brain anatomy and biochemistry, and experimental evidence from animal studies. There was very little "touchy-feely" stuff -- Freud's theories were skimmed over quickly, with both the book and professor emphasizing that there was little evidence for most of his ideas, and that they were being covered just as background on the history of psychology. Modern psychology and psychiatry are primarily serious areas of scientific research, notwithstanding that some garbage still gets mixed in, and that the early years of these fields were heavy on wild and subjective speculation.


38 posted on 02/18/2005 1:36:23 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
That is good news that the profession is trying to get more "professional".

However, I still believe there is a big-time shell game going on here that involves the allocation of beaucoup government grant dollars and Medicare/Medicaid and private insurance dollars.

What you are studying sounds to me like "doctor stuff". :-)
39 posted on 02/18/2005 1:44:48 PM PST by cgbg (How evil is Hillary? Let me count the ways...)
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To: newgeezer
Does "lobotomy" ring a bell?

Well, personally, I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy! /rimshot

40 posted on 02/18/2005 1:46:24 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: colorcountry

The only think that you need to know about psychology and homosexuality is that it is a mental disorder, and not one single psychological experiment or study has ever proven it to be otherwise... it was dropped from their guides over politics not new science.


41 posted on 02/18/2005 1:47:51 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: cgbg
In my opinion one hundred years from now psychiatry will be considered as laughable as the Nazi head size experiments are today.

While the specific experiments the Nazi's did lacked scientific validity, the concept of head size as being related to psychiatric problems is quite valid, as recent advances in autism research have shown.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/07/020724080815.htm

Early efforts in any scientific field are later found to be deficient and largely wrong, but the early efforts nonetheless are essential precursors to the later, more successful efforts.

42 posted on 02/18/2005 1:49:43 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: cgbg

I think the problem of public and private insurance coverage for mental illness is a serious one, not because mental illness and the professions that treat it aren't legitimate, but because the interplay between real mental illness and plain old attitude problems is extremely complex, and it's utterly impossible to separate the two in any way that's workable for insurance bureaucracies. I know someone who clearly has very real brain chemistry problems, causing psychiatric symptoms (serious depression, anxiety, completely reversed sleep schedule, and lack of appetite) for which she is being medicated with partial success. But the fact that trying different medications has brought some relief from the organically-based problems has, in my opinion, distracted her and her psychiatrist and therapist from the fact that she also desperately needs to readjust her thinking on a lot of topics. However, her counterproductive thinking patterns are at least partly the result of years of untreated, very real organic problems. Right now she really needs continued medication and professional monitoring, but without some well-placed kicks-in-the-behind, those will be a limited benefit. But how does an insurer contractually commit to cover medication and talk-therapy, only if those are accompanied by kicks-in-the-behind from people the patient interacts with in her daily life? That's the combination that's usually needed, but there's no way systematically ensure its delivery as a complete package.


43 posted on 02/18/2005 2:01:08 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: BenLurkin
Most psychology books are out mode the day they are written. Psychology is a young science and changes daily.
Most of it is conjecture, opinion and observation which is not beyond the scope of most laymen. Credibility will improve with research and hard science and it does have a promising future. However, at the present there are many so called facts proved and disproved every day and in general there is no consensus of treatment. Its more of a trial and error treatment by counseling the individual. therefore frequent updates are needed. The day I received my Psychology degree I realized it was useless to me and went for another degree in Engineering. It was interesting and the teachers were entertaining.
44 posted on 02/18/2005 2:01:52 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: longtermmemmory
Consider that BF Skinner teaches behavior is LEARNED and he is the father of modern psychology. YET, homo-recruiters like the GLSEN, PFLAG, and the GSA (student sex club) come in and say behavior is "born". Recent studies at Nebraska say about 60% learned and 40% inate.
45 posted on 02/18/2005 2:11:11 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

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"Our policy is that it will not be taught unless it is teaching the negative consequences thereof," said Nedra Call, Nebo's director of curriculum.

:::::Applause:::::

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46 posted on 02/19/2005 4:48:14 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (''Go though life with a Bible in one hand and a Newspaper in the other" -- Billy Graham)
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To: colorcountry
State law bans teachers or texts from advocating homosexuality, but Nebo District's policy is more restrictive.

You GO, Nebo!

47 posted on 02/19/2005 5:07:41 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
Based on her understanding of Nebo's standard, Leek is leery about discussing gays or lesbians. "If I have a student who asks a question, I'm allowed to give an honest and correct answer. Then I'm supposed to close the discussion. But I am not to bring up the information. We don't discuss it."

And this is how it SHOULD be.

48 posted on 02/19/2005 5:14:44 PM PST by Mockingbird For Short
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

"I suppose it's an improvement over teaching "they" should be burned at the stake, however."

And what exactly is that supposed to mean?


49 posted on 02/19/2005 5:54:08 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: jec41

Could you cite the studies, preferably with urls?


50 posted on 02/19/2005 5:56:57 PM PST by little jeremiah
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