Lincoln: Tyrant, Hypocrite or Consumate Statesman? (Dinesh defends our 2d Greatest Prez)

thehistorynet. ^ | Feb 12, 05 | D'Souza

[canalabamian]

Its not a black and white answer. Very few things are.

Succinctly put.

[canalabamian]

After the Union was inevitably divided he officially emancipated the slaves.

Only those in Confederate States, which he no longer had authority over. ;)

[canalabamian]

Ditto, friend.

[canalabamian]

Of course there were very few slaves in that mountainous region of Tennessee. And that pattern generally held in all the relatively slaveless areas in the South. No slavery, no desire to secede.

I don't know about TN, but you'll see more Battle Flags in the mountainous regions of GA than most anywhere else in the state. Same reasons, no dominate agriculturally based economy during the drive to secede, thus no economic attachment to the movement.

The region's mindset changed post-bellum as the Federal "revenuers" started taking an interest in taxing the moonshine that previously had been overlooked. Then they mountaineers began to see why the other Southrons had resisted a powerful, centralized government.

[Californiajones]

Uh, my "educational system" aside -- the South fired the first shots at the North. The South seceded before Lincoln took office. The South had no moral imperative for their fight -- i.e. they were not defending the purely American idea of "all men are created equal" (despite Dredd Scott) -- they simply were fighting to maintain their peculiarly aristocratic and immoral economy.

The proof is that there were no eloquent "Declaration of Independence" written by any Confederate "founding father". There was no defense for the indefensible except a scrappy dirty dogfight that cost more American lives than any other war.

And are you saying that the government was in the slave trade business or are you trying to say that private Northern concerns were in the international slave trade business? In any case, what was the point in saying that "Lincoln's new job would pay a salary financed by money raised from the sale of slave produced goods?"

[Darkwolf377]

"To say that Lincoln had the power to end slavery with the stroke of a pen"

I never said that.

A lie in the first line is usually an indicator of a slavery apologist. Later.

[TexConfederate1861]

Well, Civil War Times is a very respected publication. If they think it is so, I think there is a good chance it happened.

[TexConfederate1861]

But what is your favorite radio station? KSAM or KBHT? :)

[TexConfederate1861]

Hey brainless: The 13th Amendment Freed the slaves.....


Not Abe the Tyrant.

[TexConfederate1861]

It's really easy to free slaves in territory you DON'T control.....

[Non-Sequitur]

Well, Civil War Times is a very respected publication. If they think it is so, I think there is a good chance it happened.

But you're not sure.

[Darkwolf377]

Abe the tyrant...sooooo evil of him to free the slaves...oh, except he didn't, they were just so dumb that after the Proclamation they headed north...shouldn't they know their place and stay in their happy slavery until they get permission from their massahs? Yeah, that Abe be evil, unlike those wonderful slaveholders. LOL

[TexConfederate1861]

In the South, many of us were raised being taught our heritage and traditions. I was taught much at the knee of my Great-Grandfather. Her Grandfather faught for the Confederacy. 140 years is not a long time in the grand scheme of things. I am also a Historian. Truth matters to me!

[TexConfederate1861]

And you are a Horse's Backside...but then again, you know that. An Ignorant one to be sure.

[TexConfederate1861]

Neither are you. So you believe what you wish, and so will I.

[Non-Sequitur]

It was, as I mentioned, to incite insurrection among the slaves.

How about sticking on a barf alert when you say that?

[Non-Sequitur]

Neither are you. So you believe what you wish, and so will I.

I'll continue to believe what the evidence supports, and you go ahead and continue to believe that Lincoln personally ordered the assassination of Jefferson Davis, regardless of the lack of anything to support that.

[Darkwolf377]

Amazing debating tactic: You're a horse's backside.

I guess them's the kind of manners them darkies just didn't appreciate. If they had, since they loved being slaves and all, they would have told that tyrant Lincoln to mind his p's and q's--that being sooooo much more important than freeing human slaves.

With all else being equal, if southern whites were slaves in the exact same circumstances, Lincoln would be the favorite president of horse's backsides like you.

[TexConfederate1861]

I was being amazingly polite, considering the trash I am dealing with. You don't debate, all you do is throw cute little comments, designed to anger. When you get a REAL education, then we'll see.......


But I doubt it.

[Darkwolf377]

Nice debate. All you do is talk trash. If a fact ever entered your head it would die of loneliness.

I await more evidence of your brilliant on-topic factual knowledge like calling someone "horse's ass".