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Bill to Bar Eating Cats, Dogs Stirs Debate
AP ^ | Monday February 21st, 2005 | Jeannette J. Lee

Posted on 02/22/2005 12:37:46 AM PST by ajolympian2004

By JEANNETTE J. LEE, Associated Press Writer

HONOLULU - A state legislator is pushing a bill that would ban the slaughter of dogs and cats for food, drawing protests from members of some Asian ethnic groups who believe the measure is aimed at unfounded and racist stereotypes of their cultures.

Animal rights groups pushed for the bill's introduction this month, even though joint investigations last year by the Hawaiian Humane Society and Animal Crimestoppers yielded no proof that anyone uses the pets as food.

State Rep. Glenn Wakai, who introduced the measure, said it is aimed at stemming the growth of a "cottage industry" with the potential to threaten public health. He said news reports last August about dogs being stolen and butchered in some Oahu neighborhoods proves there's a problem.

Eating dog meat is tolerated in some Asian cultures, but many families from Asia settled in Hawaii generations ago and now consider the practice repugnant.

The measure was scheduled for a vote in the House this week, but the state Senate has not scheduled a hearing, Wakai said. It would make it a felony to kill, purchase or distribute any dog or cat for human consumption.

The news reports he cited were based largely on tips from Carroll Cox, president of the local environmental activist group Envirowatch, who said his own undercover investigation found evidence of the practice on Oahu.

But investigations of two of those tips came up empty, said Letha DeCaires, a Honolulu police detective and a coordinator for Animal Crimestoppers, part of the local nonprofit Crimestoppers program.

"Either the Humane Society or the police department followed through with every tip that we had," DeCaires said. "There was no evidence of slaughterhouse equipment, butchering tools, or anything to substantiate such claims at the time we visited the locations."

Cox claims the Humane Society mishandled the cases and blew his cover by alerting the media to his investigation.

"It is commonplace in Hawaii. It's a practice that has been known, noted and documented and no one has touched it because it's a cultural issue," Cox said.

State Rep. Alex Sonson says the proposed measure is a reaction to hearsay and would harm the image of Filipinos, Koreans and other Asian ethnic groups who make up the majority of the state's population.

"It perpetuates this myth that every Filipino is eating it," Sonson said. "But they're not."

Frank Wu, dean of Wayne State University Law School in Detroit, believes the issue of eating dog is stressed "to caricature and condemn particular populations," namely Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese and other Asians. Wu wrote about dog-eating in his book "Yellow: Race in America Beyond Black and White."

Wakai said race is irrelevant to his proposed legislation.

"There's no language in the bill that distinguishes certain ethnic groups or cultures of partaking in this type of practice," Wakai said.

Rather, it is aimed at protecting pets or companion animals, said Jodi Buckman, director of animal protection services for the Denver-based American Humane Association.

"I cannot imagine this issue arising with the intent of racial and cultural bias," Buckman said.

The slaughter and sale of dogs, cats or other animals considered companions is prohibited only in California, Delaware, Georgia, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey and New York.

Honolulu resident Kim Soiti, who has a dog and two cats, thinks Wakai's bill should be passed even if there is no evidence that anyone in the state is consuming dog or cat meat.

"Cats and dogs are great companions. They're not stupid. They have emotions," said Soiti. "Dogs and cats are generally household pets and are like part of the family."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: animal; cat; crimestoppers; dog; duffy; hannity; hawaii; honolulu; rights
On the Net:

Envirowatch: http://www.envirowatch.org

Hawaii Legislature: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/

Animal Crimestoppers: http://www.crimestoppers-honolulu.org/animal.php

1 posted on 02/22/2005 12:37:51 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

You hear about the new Vietnamese cookbook?

101 Ways to Wok a Dog.


3 posted on 02/22/2005 1:02:39 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: infidel44

Either that or he's very ronery.


5 posted on 02/22/2005 1:09:26 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: ajolympian2004; Slings and Arrows; HairOfTheDog

ping


6 posted on 02/22/2005 1:09:59 AM PST by Jet Jaguar (Free Mojtaba and Arash Day)
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To: clee1

I know there are a lot of filipinos in Hawaii....so dog eating is a given.

My wife is from the Philippines and i always ask her if she had eaten dogs.....she always tells the story about a big black dog that tried to bite her on the way to school. She got home and told her brothers about it. They went and knocked it in the head with a brick and grilled out that evening....she swears she didn't eat any...i tease her just the same ;)


7 posted on 02/22/2005 1:15:11 AM PST by teldon30
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To: ajolympian2004

Please don't tell me this is going to apply to dog or cat roadkill. After all, if they are already dead, what's the big deal? I mean, how am I supposed to feed my family if one more free protein source is eliminated?


8 posted on 02/22/2005 1:18:15 AM PST by Casloy
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10 posted on 02/22/2005 1:29:50 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

Sean's new dog "Duffy"...

11 posted on 02/22/2005 1:32:34 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

12 posted on 02/22/2005 1:34:50 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004
The same liberals who fret over the killing of cats and dog for food are the same liberals who are unconcerned over the killing of babies in the womb. Pets get more legal protection than human beings. America is an amazing country.

(Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News.")

13 posted on 02/22/2005 1:35:42 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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14 posted on 02/22/2005 1:36:52 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

There goes my trip to Hawaii.


15 posted on 02/22/2005 1:37:05 AM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: ajolympian2004
"I cannot imagine this issue arising with the intent of racial and cultural bias," Buckman said.

LoL!

When it comes to politics, a tree stump can become an issue of race!

16 posted on 02/22/2005 1:45:20 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: mhking; MeekOneGOP; TheBigB

It's about eating cat...


17 posted on 02/22/2005 1:46:05 AM PST by sully777 (It's like my momma always said, "Two wrongs don't make a right but two Wrights make an airplane.")
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To: ajolympian2004

There is no authority that gives the government to do this, if they can ban eating one animal, they can ban eating any animal.

Won't be long til PETA will be lobbying for banning the eating of cow, pigs and chickens all all other meats.

Well don't need the government telling us what we can and cannot eat


18 posted on 02/22/2005 1:52:32 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: sully777
It's about eating cat...

Is that some kind of euphemism for something?

19 posted on 02/22/2005 1:55:42 AM PST by Petronski (Zebras: Free Range Bar Codes of the Serengeti)
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To: Petronski

It's about eating cat...

Is that some kind of euphemism for something?



Well, the story is about eating cat. But, come to think of it...


20 posted on 02/22/2005 2:04:19 AM PST by sully777 (It's like my momma always said, "Two wrongs don't make a right but two Wrights make an airplane.")
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To: Truthsearcher

Only when PETA stops murdering bazillions of mosquitos, miller moths, grasshoppers, etc. while driving their various types of vehicles will I ever take anything they say seriously. PETA members have no compassion for those baby mosquitos who lost their moms and dads due to contact with their windshields.


21 posted on 02/22/2005 2:06:42 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

Of course PETA is a bunch of wackos, that's beside the point here.


22 posted on 02/22/2005 2:22:46 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: ajolympian2004

Jimmy Breslin, who does not seem to like dogs at all, mentioned in a column I read that a new Korean restaurant with dog on the menu had opened in New York. He did not appear to be joking.


23 posted on 02/22/2005 2:23:18 AM PST by wideminded
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To: sully777


24 posted on 02/22/2005 2:40:44 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: infidel44
You cannot be for real!

Oh sure, like you've never pulled up beside a dead german shepherd on the side of the road, brushed the flies away, looked over your shoulder for poachers, and thrown it in the trunk.

25 posted on 02/22/2005 2:50:16 AM PST by Casloy
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To: ajolympian2004
50 ways to eat your "Dober"?
26 posted on 02/22/2005 2:51:30 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: ajolympian2004

Once had a chinese friend and the subject of dogs came up. I said "But they're our friends". To which she replied "But they taste so good".


27 posted on 02/22/2005 2:58:55 AM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: ajolympian2004

Generally speaking if we follow natures example, only on rare occasions will you find predators eating predators. It make health sense to eat food lower on the food chain. Pork, being omnivorus is probably the closest I would think, I come to eating predatory animals(not counting sea food).

On the other hand I heard that the Junior Senator from here in NY has a taste for cat.


28 posted on 02/22/2005 3:24:58 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: ajolympian2004
A state legislator is pushing a bill that would ban the slaughter of dogs and cats for food, drawing protests from members of some Asian ethnic groups who believe the measure is aimed at unfounded and racist stereotypes of their cultures.

Hey! If they don't really eat dogs and cats, then what's their problem?

Mark

29 posted on 02/22/2005 3:38:48 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: ajolympian2004
Sean's new dog "Duffy"...

Duffy? So much for my name suggestion: Buy My Book.

I was expecting Sean to take his dog to the park, let him run around some and when it was time to go home yell, "Come here, Buy My Book".

30 posted on 02/22/2005 4:44:14 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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I have to wonder, doesn't the government have anything better to do than tell its citizens what they may and may not have for dinner? Where in the Constitution is this power delegated to the Hawaii legislature?


31 posted on 02/22/2005 4:49:11 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: ajolympian2004

I'm starting to wonder about what's really in SPAM.


32 posted on 02/22/2005 6:33:24 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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33 posted on 02/22/2005 6:38:54 AM PST by pageonetoo (you'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo
One of the many reasons I moved to New Hampshire.
34 posted on 02/22/2005 6:41:07 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: ajolympian2004
On my first trip to Maui I noticed the dive shop owner I rented equipment had a dog. I told him that that was the first dog I had seen on the island. He said yeah he's white. I ask what that had to do with it. He said that Filipinos would not eat white dogs. The next time I went to Maui the guy I chartered a sailboat from had a Jack Russel Terrier. I said well you must have him because he is white. He said you better believe that. They would steal him in a minute if he was not.
35 posted on 02/22/2005 6:51:52 AM PST by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: ajolympian2004
catsuits

36 posted on 02/22/2005 6:53:39 AM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: humblegunner

Paging K J I....


37 posted on 02/22/2005 6:53:51 AM PST by Allegra ("They Just Love to Walk in the Middle of the Road!")
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To: ajolympian2004

What a wuss. If Sean had any cajones he'd have named his pup FReeper!


38 posted on 02/22/2005 6:54:40 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: Rebelbase

Ooops. I personally attacked Sean. Too bad.


39 posted on 02/22/2005 6:55:11 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: ajolympian2004
I was in China in 2001 and they really do have dog and cat dishes on menus in restaurants. I had heard about these things, but it was weird to actually see it.

One of our Chinese hosts told us very seriously "Please don't order the dog. Western systems are not used to digesting it and you probably won't like it."

I had no problem complying with that one.

40 posted on 02/22/2005 6:58:07 AM PST by Allegra ("They Just Love to Walk in the Middle of the Road!")
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To: ajolympian2004

Reminds me of that Korean cookbook:

101 ways to wok your dog.


41 posted on 02/22/2005 6:58:53 AM PST by frgoff
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To: ajolympian2004

That dog is gonna weigh about 200 lb in a couple of months.


42 posted on 02/22/2005 7:01:12 AM PST by monday
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To: infidel44; Squantos

So we can kill and eat cats in Texas?

Yes to the first part, but I ain't going to say anything about the second part of that question.


43 posted on 02/22/2005 7:04:32 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: ajolympian2004

And what about the San Francisco cult that eats beaver?


44 posted on 02/22/2005 7:07:45 AM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: Truthsearcher
>There is no authority that gives the government to do this, if they can ban eating one animal, they can ban eating any animal.<

Ouch! As much as the idea of eating a cat or a dog repels me, I have to agree with you.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, I believe there are laws on the books that forbid killing a dog or cat. Therefore, if ya can't kill it, ya can't grill it.

45 posted on 02/22/2005 7:19:26 AM PST by Darnright
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To: TEXASPROUD

Texas Rattlesnake
Yield: 2 servings

1 Rattlesnake

1. Find and capture a Western Diamondback Rattlesnake.
2. Kill, skin and remove entrails.
3. Cut into edible portions.
4. Make a batter of flour, cracker meal, salt, pepper and garlic powder.
5. Roll your snake portions in the batter.
6. Fry in deep fat, heated to a temperature that will ignite a floating wooden match.
7. Fry until meat is a golden brown.
8. Eat it!!

This recipe comes from the Sweetwater, Texas, Chamber of Commerce. The Sweetwater Jaycee's 'World's Largest Rattlesnake Roundup' is held each year in March and hundreds of pounds of rattlesnake meat is cooked and served by Chief Chef Corkey Frazier.

46 posted on 02/22/2005 7:31:29 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: TEXASPROUD

Is it OK to wear a lobster bib when ya eat cat ?


47 posted on 02/22/2005 8:23:29 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: TRY ONE
And what about the San Francisco cult that eats beaver?

What you talkin' bout, Willis... I think they're international...


48 posted on 02/22/2005 8:40:08 AM PST by pageonetoo (you'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: infidel44

What do you call a Vietnamese with 2 Dogs?

A Rancher.

What do you call a Vietnamese with one dog?

A vegetarian....

Seriously we were going to give a dog to a Filipino, until he asked how much does he weigh....


49 posted on 02/22/2005 9:10:37 AM PST by rolling_stone
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