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To: ultima ratio
Even the way Catholics worship has been radicalized and protestantized. In fact it is a wholly new religion to those who yet cling to traditional Catholicism.

Given that all liturgical rites of the Eucharist involve the Real Presence and the re-presentatoin of the sacrifice of Calvary, in no way has the liturgy been "protestantized". That is simply not true. And by saying that the Catholic Church is a new religion after Vatican II from before, you are stating that you are in schism with the Catholic Church. You cannot deny it. You have rejected legitimate and fully orthodox authority for your own subjective and irrational definition of orthodoxy as meaning every reformable practice exactly as it existed on the eve of Vatican II, not acknowledging that it is the deposit of faith, whole and entire that is the mark of orthodoxy, not specific devotional or liturgical practices that have changed many times inthe history of the One True Church that you so lightly reject.

82 posted on 02/22/2005 2:56:46 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

"And by saying that the Catholic Church is a new religion after Vatican II from before, you are stating that you are in schism with the Catholic Church. You cannot deny it."

Of course I deny it. The idea is absurd. And if you don't think what's going on now is not a new religion then you are easily satisfied. Those who know better--a lot better--believe it most certainly IS a new religion, having very little to do with Catholic Tradition, resembling very much its Protestant counterparts both in theology and in liturgy. Sure, it's retained the office of the papacy--but that's about all it has kept. Everything else has been changed--and protestantized. Not that it will ever admit this--but it does all it can to suppress and subvert the dogmas of faith while trashing Tradition. In fact it is what is most Catholic that is most despised. A seminarian who makes visits to the Blessed Sacrament or says the Rosary must do so secretly--or else be booted out. That's just the way it goes these days.


132 posted on 02/22/2005 6:10:15 PM PST by ultima ratio
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