Posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.
In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.
He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.
The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.
In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.
"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.
The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.
In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.
"LEGAL EXTERMINATION"
In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.
"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.
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John Paul II understands the Papacy perfectly. He wears the shoes of the Fisherman, not the tiara of a king.
If Popes are to follow in the footsteps of Him who had nowhere to lay His Head, they are right to rid the Papacy of Triumphalism.
Given that all liturgical rites of the Eucharist involve the Real Presence and the re-presentatoin of the sacrifice of Calvary, in no way has the liturgy been "protestantized". That is simply not true. And by saying that the Catholic Church is a new religion after Vatican II from before, you are stating that you are in schism with the Catholic Church. You cannot deny it. You have rejected legitimate and fully orthodox authority for your own subjective and irrational definition of orthodoxy as meaning every reformable practice exactly as it existed on the eve of Vatican II, not acknowledging that it is the deposit of faith, whole and entire that is the mark of orthodoxy, not specific devotional or liturgical practices that have changed many times inthe history of the One True Church that you so lightly reject.
-thanks for the help-
I know you did not bring up the SSPX but you sounded like a member. I bet you belong to them or at least are highly sympathetic to their causes, but I can't be absolutely sure. Anyway maybe I should have said ultra-traditionalist.
No doubt Pius X was a great Pope who fought modernism hard. But complaining about the current Pope will not do any good. If he was too harsh he could force open schism (although maybe he should do this anyway). So there are logical reasons for doing what he is doing, even if he is choosing the wrong options. So please keep your opinions to yourself or at least away from the general Catholic public and remember to pray for the Pope!
They'll denounce the Holy Father the same way their minions in the MSM do it as 'out of touch with life in the modern world'.
Why would you think for a second that these twit CINOs you mention, and dozens like them (Frances Kissling of CFFC included), who back procured abortion on demand, embryonic stem cell research, and euthanasia, would even bat an eye about denouncing the future saint and the man who history will undoubtedly call one of the greatest popes in the history of the Church.
These people have no concept of where the Holy Father is coming from. To them he is an incoherent rambliing old fool. These people are so far away from what the Holy Spirit is doing on earth that they are doing the opposite and calling it good.
We will all have to answer for our actions here. Whether we believe that or not, it will happen. I would love to hear Ted Kennedy's answers, especially considering that he had a vote and a voice of influence in the US Government for so long.
The Catholic clergy has more homosexuals per capita than your average Broadway show. We are witnessing a civil war.
From the Hippocratic Oath:
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.
You should be Catholic.
Well, the Pontiff is on the right track.
My only complaint about the Pope is that he didn't act to eradicate homosexual priests from the Church. I can't understand why he let them infiltrate and proliferate. He really needed to rid the Church of homosexual priests and molester/priests (and not just move the molester/priests around from parish to parish like men on a board game). In every other way, I consider him stellar. But this one flaw is truly baffling.
The smoke of satan entered the sanctuary long before Pope John Paul II became pope. The genesis of these liberal problems you cite today is clearly indicated by liberal interpretations of the teachings of Vatican II in the 10 or so years after the close of that council.
John Paul II is far from a liberal in any dimension.
The "Axis of Ideologies of Evil"
Gay anything is evil. And also abominable!
Please demonstrate his lies. I see no evidence of lies on UR's part.
You never stop in your crusade of hate against the Catholic Church.
There is no evidence that UR is doing anything but trying to raise the bar back up for the Catholic Church after the lowering of standards in the modern era
The Pope has condemned indifferentism and syncretism.
And he has evoked it with terrible events public scandals like the multiple Assisi events, the Koran imprudence/scandal, the evasive language about the necessity to belong in the Catholic Church in "Crossing the Threshold of Hope"
You attribute to him heterodox views the Pope has never taught and has specifically denounced.
Actions speak louder than words as the above shows. Why do so many Jewish leaders who know him personally think he has "changed" the teaching of the Church that Jews still need to be saved by Jesus within the Catholic Church? He certainly has not corrected this position.
You NEVER mention Dominus Iesus.
That speaks well of Dominus Iesus. Are we supposed to jump for joy and slap smiley faces on a statement for someone simply not doing an awful job on a document? That's like me going to the Dentist and thanking him for not shattering my teeth on a routine cleaning. It's far less problematic than a document like Ut Unum Sint which "undefines" the Petrine Primacy by JPII asking for suggestions from non-Catholics about how he can be Pope in a way that they will accept. "being open to a new situation regarding primacy" are his words. He of course, doesn't answer, he basically just tries to "undo Vatican I" and leave it open.
And if he has made prudential misjudgments, that does not take away his legitimate authority.
One of his prudential misjudgments is the shirking of his own authority. UR has said nothing about his legitimate authority or the authority of the papacy.
By your logic, Luther and Calvin were perfectly justified in rebelling from the Catholic Church because of Renaissance era abuses.
That's not his logic. And abuses weren't the reasons that they separated from the Church. They were heretics. Plain and simple. The Luther Calvin model simply is a straw man argument.
I do put the Holocuast and abortion, today's SILENT holocaust on the same plane.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.
Unfortunately, there's a New, Improved! version of Hippocratic Oath and has been for a while. I have a vague impression that most medical schools make up their own (all leaving out that last provision of course), but I could be wrong on that.
You've got it backwards. Christ is risen and he no longer needs a place to rest his head. The Vicar is minding the Church and we are waiting for his return on Clouds of Glory. The Catholic Church is about the triumphant King of Glory.
Pius X was the fisherman in his life and piety. He was the leader and knew that the papacy was much larger than Guiseppe Sarto. When he healed people at their request, he said, "It's not me, it's the power of the Keys."
Triumphalism is for fakes. The Glorious Popes were not fakes.
When JPII abandons triumphalism and forbids the crowds to chant, "John Paul II! We love you!" then, he'll be fitting in the shoes of the fisherman that St. Pius X walked in.
**What kind of a faithful Catholic does that?**
I wanted to ask the same question. Thank you for asking it.
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