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Simple little prayer card speaks volumes about America's looney left
2/23/05 | Various despondent leftists

Posted on 02/23/2005 8:53:40 AM PST by dukeman

Picture yourself in a restaurant. At some point during the meal service a waiter or waitress sets on the table a small card containing a brief Psalm excerpt. How do you react? Look what happened over on DU.......

mondo joe (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-05 11:26 AM
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Alaska Airlines now giving out prayers with dinner

My partner flew to and from Chicago yesterday.

With his dinner he received a little card with the Alaska Airline logo, a landscape and the following:

Give thanks to the Lord,
for He is good;
His love endures forever.

Psalm 107:1

I'm so disgusted I'm beside myself.

flamingyouth (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-05 11:28 AM
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2. They always have

Susan Paynter has written about it in her P-I column. I'm a frequent flyer on Alaska so I've seen them for years. I usually just turn it upside down.

PROGRESSIVE1 (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-05 12:27 PM
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21. Then I'll never fly that airline.

John BigBootay (505 posts) Fri Feb-18-05 03:25 PM
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40. Why is it that I, as an agnostic--

can be a happy frequent flyer with Alaska in spite of the fact that I have received dozens of these little messages, and some folks such as you are COMPLETELY put off by it?

The human mind is a strange and complicated organ...

fudge stripe cookays (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-05 11:28 AM
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Oh for God's sake.

I thought they were blue! What a way to alienate your major customer base. ?????

They need some serious complaint letters clogging their mailboxes.

Toots (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-05 11:39 AM
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11. "Oh for God's sake"

Being "Blue" does not mean anti-God. There is nothing at all wrong with what they are doing. It isn't forced at all and for some it is very comforting. There are more people in america that believe in God than there are ones that do not. If the Government did this there would be room for complaint. Flying this day and time is very stressful for most. A prayer can be very welcome by some.

wtmusic (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-05 11:47 AM
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12. Assuming their passengers are Christian

might offend some. It would offend me. I don't look forward to being preached to on a damn airline flight.

regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-19-05 02:23 AM
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109. YOU are assuming the "prayers" are Christian...

First of all, they're not prayers, they're Bible quotations. Second, they pick phrases that are generically theistic, not pushing a specific faith. (In other words, they speak of "God" the creator in general, not of Jesus or any Christian religious doctrine.) And they certainly don't "preach," if that means urge anyone to accept a specific dogma about sin, salvation, judgement, redemption, etc., etc.

In fact, I can't see the quotations Alaska provides as being offensive even to a die-hard deist. It reminds me of the way the Bible was used by deists such as the Founding Fathers (who, despite what the religious right would claim, were anything but fundamentailsts wanting to create a "Christian nation").

I think some people are just a little too sensitive on this subject.

forgethell (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-19-05 10:26 AM,br> Response to Reply #12

124. How is it

being preached to?? It's printed. Discard it.

manic expression (446 posts) Fri Feb-18-05 11:52 AM
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14. For God's sake, indeed....

Being respectful of people's beliefs means that you don't blatantly cater to one religion and generalize everyone on your flights. That is what they are doing and it is a form of perverse discrimination. I'm glad you support that.

I could not care LESS if someone wants a Christian prayer to make their flight "less stressful". They could bring a Bible with them on the flight and not expect someone else to shove Christian dogma down everyone's throats.

This is patently disgusting.

Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-05 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #14

55. For God's sake, why dont you fly a different airline...

if you dont like it.

The airline is privately owned I assume, they unlike government can pander to whatever religion they want. People who like that will use that airline, people who dont, wont. Let the market decide this.

manic expression (446 posts) Fri Feb-18-05 06:44 PM
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77. There is a lot to be said of respect

How about an airline which is one of the only options available to you starts handing out "Mein Kampf"? Would you like it if they had Muslim or Buddhist or any other religion's doctrine handed out to people? Private providers should have the decency NOT to do such a base act (you, however, have no such decency). This is especially true because there may be little choice given to an individual.

The people who take the flights have no idea which religion a certain airline caters to, and so it is unrealistic to think that people will decide not to use the airline. The market CAN'T decide this because while it is completely offensive, patronizing and wrong, it will have no effect in the patronage of the company (don't deny this hypothetically, because that is the way it is).

The government should do something about this and put a stop to it. If it does not, it is pandering to a religion through omission.

Maybe if you were a little less arrogant and disrespectful you might see things a bit more clearly...oh well.


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This DU thread continues back and forth in the same vein for quite some time. There's more I could post, but these people tire me. Here's more if you wish to see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3136227

How powerful a little prayer card is, eh?

1 posted on 02/23/2005 8:53:43 AM PST by dukeman
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2 posted on 02/23/2005 8:55:26 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: dukeman

Disgusted by prayer?

I've been disgusted by a lot of things, but prayer will never be one of them.


3 posted on 02/23/2005 8:56:41 AM PST by RushCrush (History will be VERY kind to GWB. WJC? Not so much.......)
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To: dukeman; PJ-Comix
I think this was the subject of a DUmmie FUnnies the other day.

Everytime I read something like this I think "Is this all they have to talk about?" I'm an agnostic, but to compare a Psalm to Mein Kampf is freaking ridiculous. (If someone gave me such a card I'd read it and put it aside--are these DUmmies so damned frail that a few words freaks them out?)

4 posted on 02/23/2005 8:58:28 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Individuality)
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To: RushCrush

I had fun with a DU'er who lives down the street from me. I was walking my Greyhound when she came up to me in a snotty voice complaining about W's victory. I just said, "See you in bible study, it is now mandatory don't you know."


5 posted on 02/23/2005 9:00:04 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: dukeman

It has been known since Early Middle Ages that prayer and/or holy objects make the devil uncomfortable. But why didn't it occur to anyone there that one could have politely requested that the card (or whatever else) be removed from their table/food tray, since they had neither requested nor wanted it?


6 posted on 02/23/2005 9:00:07 AM PST by GSlob
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To: RushCrush
I've been disgusted by a lot of things, but prayer will never be one of them.

Would you like to recieve unsolicted Koran quotes with dinner? I wouldn't

7 posted on 02/23/2005 9:00:18 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: RushCrush

Kinda makes you feel sorry for some of those people. They sound very uptight and bitter. I suppose they blame Bush.


8 posted on 02/23/2005 9:00:45 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: dukeman
flamingyouth could have always chosen to get off the plane.

Exits are conveniently located on both sides of the fuselage.

9 posted on 02/23/2005 9:01:43 AM PST by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: TheOtherOne

our country wasn't founded on the koran, it was founded by christians, also, christians didn't blow up 2 large buildings in new york a few years ago. wake up.


10 posted on 02/23/2005 9:01:49 AM PST by RolandBurnam
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To: dukeman

You can tell how fragile their belief system is by how threatened they are by this.

Someone who has deep rooted integrity and a strong conviction to what they believe in doesn't react this way to something outside their ideals. Even if it was an atheist.. if an atheist was strong in his personal beliefs and convictions, he would just politely take the card, realizing that most people on the flight were Christian and may appreciate it, ignore it and go about his business unfazed. That is not the case here, these are just really hateful, reactionary individuals. I pity their simplistic and primitive worldview.

This threat speaks volumes about how bitter and insecure they are.

Bones


11 posted on 02/23/2005 9:03:35 AM PST by Bones75
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To: dukeman

"I'm so disgusted I'm beside myself"
I sit down to get my regular fix of Freerepublic, and someone sticks content from DU on my monitor. The government needs to do something to prevent this. (end sarcasm)


12 posted on 02/23/2005 9:03:53 AM PST by joshhiggins
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To: Bones75

should read: this "thread" speaks volumes....

(not "threat"...spelling error, need more coffee)


13 posted on 02/23/2005 9:04:25 AM PST by Bones75
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To: RolandBurnam
our country wasn't founded on the koran, it was founded by christians, also, christians didn't blow up 2 large buildings in new york a few years ago. wake up.

So I take it you don't want the Koran quotes with dinner?

14 posted on 02/23/2005 9:04:37 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne

You can give me any piece of written information you want and it won't bother me.

Now bad fashion, THAT bothers me!


15 posted on 02/23/2005 9:04:44 AM PST by RushCrush (History will be VERY kind to GWB. WJC? Not so much.......)
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To: dukeman

Wasn't this a DUFU a while back?


16 posted on 02/23/2005 9:05:04 AM PST by Petronski (Zebras: Free Range Bar Codes of the Serengeti)
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To: dukeman
This isn't surprising, once you apply the proper encoding to the message:

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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-18-05 11:26 AM
Original message

Alaska Airlines now giving out prayers with dinner

My [domestic] partner flew to and from Chicago yesterday.

With his dinner he received a little card with the Alaska Airline logo, a landscape and the following:

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I hope that clarifies things.

17 posted on 02/23/2005 9:05:27 AM PST by angkor
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To: dukeman
This is actually a pretty tame DU thread. I've read much worse.

Quite frankly, if the same article were posted on FR, we'd see similar comments and similar points of view represented.

Now, if you search on DU about some of the "Reagan has died" threads... Now, those would curl your hair!

18 posted on 02/23/2005 9:05:43 AM PST by Egon (Government is a guard-dog to be fed, not a cow to be milked.)
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To: TheOtherOne

Speaking as a Catholic, when the Mormons come to Evangelize me at my front door, I am not offended. It takes a lot of guts to care about your Faith (whatever it is) enough to be free to express it. I congratulated a Mormon friend of mine for the Missionary time he did in Birmingham, Alabama. Heroism and devotion should be rewarded with kind remarks. If someone cared enough about the Koran to leave me material, I would not have a problem. I probably would just throw it away. But I would respect why they did it.


19 posted on 02/23/2005 9:06:51 AM PST by lnbchip
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To: RushCrush

even before i found my faith something like this wouldnt have bothered me.. some people are just _intolerant_

intolerance on DU? no way!!! lol.


20 posted on 02/23/2005 9:06:59 AM PST by inn8
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To: RushCrush
Now bad fashion, THAT bothers me!

Now, c'mon, that bothers everyone.

21 posted on 02/23/2005 9:07:39 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne
So I take it you don't want the Koran quotes with dinner?

If I saw a quote from the koran on board a plane that was carrying mostly non muslims, it wouldn't offend me but I would fear for my safety.

22 posted on 02/23/2005 9:07:49 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: TheOtherOne

If a privately owned company wants to give out Psalms or Koran quotes or anything else, they can. If as a consumer you are disgusted, angered, offended, or whatever, you have the right not to give them your business ever again. And as silly as others may think you are, you have the right to complain about the company online and to your friends to try to influence others not to give them business. The owners or directors of the company must then decide if putting their personal beliefs into the company's motto or corporate culture is worth it. Each side has some power, and each side is free to make their choice and then face whatever effects it has.


23 posted on 02/23/2005 9:08:05 AM PST by VRWCisme
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To: dukeman

They are way behind the times in recognizing this. Alaska Air was placing these with meals back in 1984 when I first flew them. Pretty thin skinned to so intimidated by a simple little card.


24 posted on 02/23/2005 9:08:30 AM PST by Godzilla (When you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Anyone wanna' bet that Mondo Joe's "partner" does not mean business associate?


25 posted on 02/23/2005 9:08:30 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: TheOtherOne

Not the DUers! Have you seen any of them lately?


26 posted on 02/23/2005 9:08:30 AM PST by RushCrush (History will be VERY kind to GWB. WJC? Not so much.......)
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To: dukeman
The government should do something about this and put a stop to it..

When that day comes, then we will know the time to start shooting these bastards is close. (Disclaimer: this is not an endorsement of violence, just a statement of my personal opinion.)

27 posted on 02/23/2005 9:08:40 AM PST by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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To: TheOtherOne

I might object if I were on an airplane.


28 posted on 02/23/2005 9:08:47 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: TheOtherOne
Would you like to recieve unsolicted Koran quotes with dinner? I wouldn't

But would you demand that the government force the airline to stop handing out the cards as some DUers are doing?

29 posted on 02/23/2005 9:09:39 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: dukeman
The people who take the flights have no idea which religion a certain airline caters to, and so it is unrealistic to think that people will decide not to use the airline. The market CAN'T decide this because while it is completely offensive, patronizing and wrong, it will have no effect in the patronage of the company (don't deny this hypothetically, because that is the way it is).

The government should do something about this and put a stop to it. If it does not, it is pandering to a religion through omission.

Amazing. The writer, who I assume is an adult US citizen, seems completely ignorant of the workings of a business and their post reads almost like a parody of the leftist mindset. "The market can't be trusted and the gummint should DO SOMETHING about this!" *sheesh*

30 posted on 02/23/2005 9:10:55 AM PST by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Phantom Lord

I'm so sick of this apologist society.

I'm "offended".... what does that really mean? someone said something and it bothers you?

Big FREAKING whoop.

I swear these people are ninnies. What would they do if they had to worry about real issues in life?


31 posted on 02/23/2005 9:10:56 AM PST by RushCrush (History will be VERY kind to GWB. WJC? Not so much.......)
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To: dukeman; PJ-Comix
Why is it that I, as an agnostic-- can be a happy frequent flyer with Alaska in spite of the fact that I have received dozens of these little messages, and some folks such as you are COMPLETELY put off by it?

LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!

32 posted on 02/23/2005 9:11:07 AM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: lnbchip
Speaking as a Catholic, when the Mormons come to Evangelize me at my front door, I am not offended. It takes a lot of guts to care about your Faith (whatever it is) enough to be free to express it. I congratulated a Mormon friend of mine for the Missionary time he did in Birmingham, Alabama. Heroism and devotion should be rewarded with kind remarks. If someone cared enough about the Koran to leave me material, I would not have a problem. I probably would just throw it away. But I would respect why they did it.

As for me, this is America, so people can give out, talk about, and think whatever they want.

Personally, I don't like being prosletized to, but it is not something that 'disgusts' me, by a long shot.

Now, people who think that have all the answers and insist on telling me about it - they disgust me

33 posted on 02/23/2005 9:11:41 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: RushCrush

And they should just be grateful they're getting food on the airlines these days! That alone shocked me.


34 posted on 02/23/2005 9:11:50 AM PST by RushCrush (History will be VERY kind to GWB. WJC? Not so much.......)
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To: TheOtherOne; RolandBurnam; RushCrush

If you read my post #17 I think it's obvious that these are gay guy DUmmies who are mortified by all things Christian.

Nothing special there.


35 posted on 02/23/2005 9:11:56 AM PST by angkor
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To: JimRed

See my #17.


36 posted on 02/23/2005 9:12:55 AM PST by angkor
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To: lnbchip
Speaking as a Catholic, when the Mormons come to Evangelize me at my front door, I am not offended.

Me too. Guess the DUmmies aren't much into tolerance.

37 posted on 02/23/2005 9:13:11 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Gas?)
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To: TheOtherOne
Would you like to recieve unsolicted Koran quotes with dinner? I wouldn't

If I was in an Islamic country, I'd be fine with it. After all, it's their country. Imagine some nutbar going up to the Saudi Airlines counter and railing about Islamic prayer cards on the table. How "culturally insensitive" that person would be! Or if El Al put cards with quotes from the Torah on their tables. Would you complain about those?

The vast majority of Americans are Chistians and this country has an overwhelmingly Christian heritage. It's long past time people started being worried about intolerance toward American culture.
38 posted on 02/23/2005 9:13:35 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: lnbchip
I congratulated a Mormon friend of mine for the Missionary time he did in Birmingham, Alabama.

Was he there to fight the evils of sex toys?

39 posted on 02/23/2005 9:14:58 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: VRWCisme
It's the attitude of guys like Tom Monaghan, president and founder of Domino's Pizza, where they have the guts and devotion to stand up for their Faith and support pro-life, pro-family, and pro-Catholic issues. Or, Chick-Fil-A which closes on Sunday so workers can worship - these people are great. They are wonderful examples.

The following link is to a religion and ethics newsweekly PBS article with some more examples.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week822/cover.html
40 posted on 02/23/2005 9:15:15 AM PST by lnbchip
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My partner

No kidding?! lol!

I wonder how they are going to travel if they stop using services provided by RED STATES?! As a matter of fact, I wonder how they will live their LIVES without using products, services, etc. from RED STATES?! lol!

41 posted on 02/23/2005 9:15:15 AM PST by kcvl
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To: lnbchip
I congratulated a Mormon friend of mine for the Missionary time he did in Birmingham, Alabama.

Was he there to fight the evils of sex toys?

42 posted on 02/23/2005 9:15:24 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: dukeman

"My partner flew to and from Chicago yesterday."

His "partner"? LOL

Not his GF, not his friend, not his lover, not his business partner.

His "partner".


43 posted on 02/23/2005 9:16:32 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: VRWCisme
If a privately owned company wants to give out Psalms or Koran quotes or anything else, they can. If as a consumer you are disgusted, angered, offended, or whatever, you have the right not to give them your business ever again.

My favorite Italian resturant had a religious theme. Murals on the walls, Bible verses on every table. The owner was Italian and devout Catholic.

I am not Catholic but nothing in there offended me. The food was fantastic, reasonable prices. The place was always packed and I suspect there were probably a few atheists who ate there. After all they like good food too.

44 posted on 02/23/2005 9:16:45 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: TheOtherOne
Would you like to recieve unsolicted Koran quotes with dinner? I wouldn't

If I were flying an airline that was owned and served a predominantly muslim base I would not be shocked if I received it.

46 posted on 02/23/2005 9:17:08 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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DU? What's that, Ducks Unlimited?

Just kidding, folks, I know what it is. Just a bit of humor. Ducks Unlimited probably has more members, though.


47 posted on 02/23/2005 9:17:49 AM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: RushCrush
And they should just be grateful they're getting food on the airlines these days! That alone shocked me.

**************

LOL! Excellent point.

48 posted on 02/23/2005 9:19:36 AM PST by trisham (proudly jackbooted and pajama clad!)
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To: TheOtherOne
Would you like to recieve unsolicted Koran quotes with dinner? I wouldn't

If it was an uplifting message, I wouldn't mind. With all the negativity in the world, a positive message is always welcomed by these eyes...
49 posted on 02/23/2005 9:19:46 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: Antoninus
The vast majority of Americans are Chistians and this country has an overwhelmingly Christian heritage. It's long past time people started being worried about intolerance toward American culture.

Why insist that America is a Christian nation, like Saudi Arabia is muslim - it is not. SA is a muslim country...America is not a Christian nation. It is not a one religion country. Your attitude, that people should accept anything Christian because you claim this is a Christian nation is what offends people.

You have no greater claim to this country's history or culture than I, or anyone of any religion does.

50 posted on 02/23/2005 9:20:23 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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