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Job data should give pause to immigration advocates
St. Paul Star Tribune ^ | February 20, 2005 | Steven A. Camarota

Posted on 02/23/2005 12:54:41 PM PST by dzzrtrock

The recovery from the recession of 2001 is often described as "jobless." But this is not entirely correct. My analysis of Census Bureau data shows that between March 2000 and 2004, the number of adults working in United States actually increased. What's interesting, however, is that all the net growth in jobs went to immigrant workers. In fact, while the number of unemployed adult native-born workers increased by 2.3 million over this time, the number of employed immigrants rose by 2.3 million. Significantly, about half the growth in immigrant employment was from illegal immigration. ...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; economy; illegalaliens; immigration; invasion; job; jobmarket; recovery; unemployment; wages
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1 posted on 02/23/2005 12:54:47 PM PST by dzzrtrock
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In fact, while the number of unemployed adult native-born workers increased by 2.3 million over this time, the number of employed immigrants rose by 2.3 million. Significantly, about half the growth in immigrant employment was from illegal immigration.

And this is bad because illegal immigrants contributed to our economic growth?

2 posted on 02/23/2005 12:58:21 PM PST by Always Right
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Must be all those jobs Americans don't want, but never had the chance.
When I was a kid, those jobs were done by teenagers or young adults. Kids today don't have the same opportunity, those jobs are going to illegals.
3 posted on 02/23/2005 1:04:31 PM PST by txroadhawg (Don't believe any statistics unless you made them up yourself)
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To: Always Right

This is bad because law abiding, tax paying Americans were underbid out of the job market. This is certainly good for people who profit from cheap labor. But not for American workers.

"Our" economic growth ?


4 posted on 02/23/2005 1:05:59 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: txroadhawg

No, kids don't want to work at McDonald's, they want to be I.T. guys and take jobs away from us geezers.


5 posted on 02/23/2005 1:07:04 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Sam the Sham

Job Americans won't do. Male Bovine Droppings!!!! Jobs Americans will not do as cheap as an illegal. Start chocking off the Illegals and see hte wages go up to a point tha Americans become interested. Stop artifically and illegally depressing wages with illegals.


6 posted on 02/23/2005 1:09:01 PM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Always Right

And this is bad because illegal immigrants contributed to our economic growth?

What do they do for economic growth when American citizens would make the same contribution without costing taxpayers a dime?

Illegals cost us taxpayers an estimated $314 BILLION a year in subsidies..citizen subsidies, I might add.


7 posted on 02/23/2005 1:10:35 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy)
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To: Sam the Sham
This is bad because law abiding, tax paying Americans were underbid out of the job market.

And what kind of jobs are these? Construction jobs and resteraunt jobs mostly. Our housing costs are more expensive in my area because we don't have many immigrant workers.

8 posted on 02/23/2005 1:12:39 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

The housing costs are probably more expensive because of overcrowding issues. The influx of people creates a surge in demand driving up costs. Also property taxes for the schools to pay the costs of English as a Second Language programs. Builders don't kick back low prices on homes for the illegal aliens they employ.


9 posted on 02/23/2005 1:20:04 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Always Right

In some schools twice as much is spent on students who are immigrants. Spent from the taxes on Americans while the immigrants aren't paying the taxes. Then the doublewhammy is the liberals give the jobs to the illegal aliens over the Americans. Some of the Republicans do this too. Bush doesn't care about illegal immigration though, he said as much. A shame that Kerrick had to be dropped from consideration for Homeland Security as he would have been great for the position and Bush doesn't care about illegal immigration, so the whole thing is hypocritical.


10 posted on 02/23/2005 1:24:45 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: massgopguy

No, kids don't want to work at McDonald's, they want to be I.T. guys and take jobs away from us geezers.

Unless kids have wealthy parents, they need those McDonald's jobs to make it thru college so they can work for I.T.


11 posted on 02/23/2005 1:26:47 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

"The housing costs are probably more expensive because of overcrowding issues. "

THe only thing that drops when illegals move in are your property values and wages.


12 posted on 02/23/2005 1:29:42 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (We have the best politicians corporate money can buy)
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To: Always Right
Amazing tht people have to be defensive about criticizing illegal immigration though. Like "Hello!" Is there something everyone doesn't understand about the word "illegal". If it is illegal immigration it is illegal.

No apologies needed in being against it.

None offered.

13 posted on 02/23/2005 1:32:03 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Always Right

it is bad because "ILLEGALS" <---(did you catch that word?) are taking jobs American CITIZENS <---(How about THAT one?) should be getting, at a LEGAL<----(And that one?) Wage and working conditions.
Using your glib and insipid argument, we should heap accolades on drug smugglers and pimps because they TOO are "helping the economy" by creating business. Come to think of it so did the 9/11 terrorists, in the long run. Look at all that money going into new jobs and new construction!


14 posted on 02/23/2005 3:36:55 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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(always left behind writes)Our housing costs are more expensive in my area because we don't have many immigrant workers.

Califreakin'fornia is DROWNING in illegals. Our median home price is $475,000, requiring an income of $105K a year to qualify for. State median income is @ $52K. in addition, analysis shows a burden on native-born residents of $1,183 per household, per year and rising, to support this plague of locusts. Our jails, school gangs, hopital ER's and clinics, are overflowing with them and our state is losing it's butt* because of them. What is you next fallacious argument?

*An analysis of recent census data indicates that the presence of illegal aliens in California is costing the state's taxpayers more than $10.5 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. http://www.fairus.org/

15 posted on 02/23/2005 3:46:40 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; dzzrtrock; All

Don't miss the current FR poll:

Which of the following is the best way to solve the illegal immigration problem?
Seal and militarize the borders
45.0%

Beef up and enforce existing law
39.3%

Some form of guest worker program
9.3%

Other
3.7%

Undecided/Pass
2.7%


16 posted on 02/23/2005 4:36:38 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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Totally obvious, but I'm sure LuisGonzales and Dane will tell you different.


17 posted on 02/23/2005 5:21:06 PM PST by sixmil (In Free Trade We Trust)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
The housing costs are probably more expensive because of overcrowding issues.

I think you're right. Mass immigration is being used to pump-up demand and keep growing the economy. That's why houses, even older ones are so damn expensive. A family of 12 Mexicans in one house produce as much buying power as a family of 4 native born americans with the average 2 income houshold.

18 posted on 02/23/2005 7:04:03 PM PST by virgil
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I'm waiting for the "kneel before the altar of the free market" crowd to tell us that this is no problem.

If someone comes to the country illegally and will work for pennies on the dollar, fine. It's just capitalism, right?


19 posted on 02/23/2005 7:07:57 PM PST by gonewt
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To: TXBSAFH
Job Americans won't do. Male Bovine Droppings!!!!

Any illegal immigrants caught in the US should be jailed, with no bail, and immediately deported to their country of origin.

That said, I can attest to the fact that young native born Americans of today often refuse to take jobs they deem below their dignity.

I have worked alongside roofing, siding and construction outfits and the boss of those firms couldn't BUY a reliable American youth worker, I don't care if they paid $25/hour.

Sure some kids would accept the job initially, but would end up quitting within weeks after seeing how hard it is humping shingles up two stories, or upon realizing how hot it is in the summer, or cold in winter.

Maybe it's different in the Midwest and/or the South where there still is a decent work ethic.

But where I live in the Northeastern suburbs, reliable young Americans are hard to find.

20 posted on 02/23/2005 7:40:04 PM PST by Edit35
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