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Terri Schiavo gets another 48 hours
The Scnitz Show | 23 Feb 05

Posted on 02/23/2005 1:02:48 PM PST by Alissa

On the radio as breaking so far!


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: criminalcoverup; euthanasia; forcedexit; judicialtyranny; medicalmurder; righttodie; righttokill; righttomurder; schiavo; slipperyslope; terri; terrischiavo
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To: trinitynole

Wrong! If she was brain dead, she'd need alot more than a feeding tube to keep her alive!


541 posted on 02/23/2005 9:38:14 PM PST by MiniCooperChick (God Bless America!)
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To: All
Goodnight, everyone.

Prayers for Teri and her DEAR and Courageous Family. I like what you said STARWISE, Fight, Terri, fight on!

Until tomorrow......

542 posted on 02/23/2005 9:38:58 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: olde north church

So we make her suffer so her reward is better? Please examine your heart for olde north iceberg.


543 posted on 02/23/2005 9:44:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: mupcat
Let me re-run this post from October 2003...

MEMO TO MICHAEL SCHIAVO

When you set out to do evil to another, there are 2 ways to fortify yourself psychologically.

Rule 1: First villainize, then victimize. Wicked people always deserve to suffer, so before you cause any suffering, make sure you convince yourself and others that your victims are grasping, slandering, deluded, fanatical. Never mind about consistency, throw all you can at them. Take the Schindlers: they are both greedy for Terri's award money, and in irrational denial about Terri's true condition. You have to trash them very thoroughly to be able to deny them the comfort of being at Terri's side when she dies of starvation per your demands. Redefine them until done. But don't forget to redefine Terri. You can't cremate her remains until you convince everyone she's already dead. Deny her therapy, deny her treatment, but if the bitch won't die, you have to re-educate people that she's a houseplant, a vegetable, not really Terri anymore, the real Terri would have wanted---what YOU want. Repeat until done: Terri is a vegetable; vegetables are bad; Terri's persistence is an illusion; illusions are bad.

While you're at it, redefine death as release---for her, of course, not for you! Never that!

Rule 2: Cloak yourself in virtue. You are the devoted, pure, unselfish keeper of the flame. You alone know what Terri really wanted, and you have a sacred mission to accomplish her desires. You became a nurse, out of pure devotion to her. Until shortly after the award money fell in your lap, you just couldn't bring yourself to believe she was hopeless, you loved her that much. But at last you accepted reality and embarked on your mission to end her apparent life. It turned out to be a bit more difficult than you expected, medical neglect and isolation and deprivation didn't suffice, but you mustn't let anything discourage you from what is Right. For you must also cloak death in virtue, call death right. Call starvation merciful. For Terri's sake. Invent an abstraction called "the real Terri" who on some abstract plane does exist, who has desires and dignities which only you can discern and serve. Keep talking until the whole world acknowledges that this invention is the real Terri, that death is desirable, that starvation is painless, that barring her family is dignified, that your total control of her is an expression of her right of privacy.

It can't be easy to take her award money, granted for your vow to spend it on her care, and spend it instead in the relentless pursuit of her cremation. (And on personal security for yourself, and guards to keep her parents and priest at bay.) It can't have been easy to break that vow, or your marriage vows, but redefine perjury as being in denial, adultery as going on with your life, neglect as guardianship, and you may surprise yourself with your facility for doing the evil you set out to do.

And when you have done it, don't leave any hoofprints. Reduce her to ashes and blow them ever so righteously in her parents' eyes.

544 posted on 02/23/2005 9:45:57 PM PST by Graymatter (There are times when the Rule of Law needs an override.)
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To: TAdams8591

You are exactly right.

You can see the tug of war going on in Matthews head sometimes, by his expressions, language, etc., and the political almost always wins out.

Only a few times will he soften that hard political edge he has. His partisanship will pop right back up, though. Always.

Matthews is trapped. He knows better than his rants and Bush hatred at times, but the man thinks of himself as a partisan Democrat to the core, and would not know what to do if he let the moral and spiritual and personal overrule his politics.

Yet he feels those influences still and has to crush them inside himself, I think.


545 posted on 02/23/2005 9:46:10 PM PST by txrangerette
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To: STARWISE
I will admit to this being my first group of postings on a Schiavo thread. I will also admit to not having my devoted to this case. I'm not willing to admit to total ignorance of the topic.
I haven't lived under a rock for the past 15 years so I am aware of the basics of the case. I have seen the "file" film of Terri Schiavo more times than I wish to count and I see it from a different perspective.
I can tell you from personal experience the inability to communicate while conscious is quite frustrating.
I see parents trying to protect a daughter they were unable to protect while she was alive. A debt of guilt they will never be able to repay. Guilt they don't own.
546 posted on 02/23/2005 9:47:27 PM PST by olde north church (Powerful is the hand that holds the keys to Heaven.)
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To: olde north church

You have to read Calvinistic guilt into everything don't you? If I were in their shoes I wouldn't see "guilt" -- I would see a ghastly stomach turning abomination. Hino is bent on starving Terri because she ISN'T dying.


547 posted on 02/23/2005 9:49:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: misty4jc

Denny, the substitute host on the Glenn Beck show, is really hammering on this issue. Calling Michael Schiavo "a loser" who won't even let Terri get her teeth cleaned in five years. Also giving out web site links on Terri. Fielding calls from outraged Americans. Praise the Lord for this publicity.


548 posted on 02/23/2005 9:50:09 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: olde north church
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Being conscious of your surroundings without the ability to communicate to those around you, being unable to interact in an appropriate manner, to reach for things and try to touch them while another part of you knows they aren't there.
I know the situations are different in severity but it's recognition, it's frustration, it's trying to communicate in any possible way you know how.
549 posted on 02/23/2005 9:54:56 PM PST by olde north church (Powerful is the hand that holds the keys to Heaven.)
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To: TAdams8591
Denny Shafer (spelling?), guest host on the Glenn Beck show, has been fielding calls from outraged Americans, incl. a nurse who says she'd dealt with people in a persistent vegitative state, and that is NOT Terri's condition based on descriptions of her condition.

Show is still being broadcast on 104.7, Pittsburgh Talkradio station.

550 posted on 02/23/2005 9:55:40 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

When do you stop feeling the need to protect your children? When do you stop feeling their pain?


551 posted on 02/23/2005 10:00:30 PM PST by olde north church (Powerful is the hand that holds the keys to Heaven.)
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To: Ciexyz
That is wonderful. I am so glad.

That nurse is right. I cared for a number of people who were pvs (not that I think we should starve them to death either)and that's NOT Terri. Furhtermore, I know full well what it looks like when someone isn't there anymore, and that's not necessarily pvs patients and certainly NOT Terri.

552 posted on 02/23/2005 10:02:53 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: olde north church
they were unable to protect while she was alive.

I think that's a very abstract and muddled view .. with no basis offered, and it's never been an attitude I've ever noted or entertained as a possibility from watching the history of the family and seeing them talk about Terri for years. Guilt over what?? That they weren't with their adult married daughter 24/7? Loving parents are naturally devoted and protective of their precious sick children. Parental love and protection run deep to the core. You're entitled to your perception ... I do not agree with it at all.

553 posted on 02/23/2005 10:03:05 PM PST by STARWISE (George Bush's pockets are full of EARNED CAPITAL, and he's in a spendin' mood ;-)
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To: olde north church

Her current condition seems to be one in which she CAN emote in real time. If she hated her present state of affairs you'd think she'd be grimacing and crying much of the time. But no such thing is reported by hino.


554 posted on 02/23/2005 10:06:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: olde north church

That is sympathy, not guilt.


555 posted on 02/23/2005 10:07:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: txrangerette
Your post is a good analyisis.

Matthews Catholic conscience went into gear when Clinton was president and on many occasions he harshly criticized him, once even as a guest on Rush's show. Maybe someday all that Catholicism will resurface and remain for good.

556 posted on 02/23/2005 10:07:54 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think you're missing my point.


557 posted on 02/23/2005 10:13:35 PM PST by olde north church (Powerful is the hand that holds the keys to Heaven.)
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To: olde north church
"while she was alive."

You must be joking. How insensitive. Terri is brain damaged and would have been far better off (probably walking and talking), IF she had gotten the REHABILITATION she so badly needs, and that Michael promised and then denied to her.

Michael couldn't allow Terri to improve. If Terri were walking and talking, Michael would NOT be able to push for starving her to death and would be in a HEAP of trouble at this very moment.

By holding Terri back and hindering her improvement, Terri becomes a more likely candidate for euthanasia. The PERFECT MURDER.

If you know all the facts in this matter, Michael's motivation becomes as plain as the nose on your face.

558 posted on 02/23/2005 10:19:59 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Her current condition seems to be one in which she CAN emote in real time. If she hated her present state of affairs you'd think she'd be grimacing and crying much of the time. But no such thing is reported by hino.
You are viewing the situation through the prism of a standard consciousness and communication. You are expecting her to respond in a "normal" fashion. It don't work the way. In other words, I wouldn't think she would be grimacing and crying, she is brain injured. She may be thinking grimace or cry but it ain't coming out that way.
I been there. I know.
559 posted on 02/23/2005 10:21:30 PM PST by olde north church (Powerful is the hand that holds the keys to Heaven.)
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To: olde north church

You were a veg for a while and emoted in real time while wanting to die? How cruel of God to bring you back.


560 posted on 02/23/2005 10:24:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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