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Terri Schiavo gets another 48 hours
The Scnitz Show | 23 Feb 05

Posted on 02/23/2005 1:02:48 PM PST by Alissa

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To: TAdams8591

You're telling me.


581 posted on 02/24/2005 12:01:07 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: grassboots.org
I am diabetic, I must take medicine or I will die. Is that artificial? I have no hope of being weaned of it.

Exactly. According to the new bioethics founding fathers, you're "never going to get any better". That's enough evidence right there.

And in case you took that personally my son has diabetes since age 2, and is now 14.

When you rely on the state for life from day to day, it makes you look more closely at where we are headed.

582 posted on 02/24/2005 12:06:33 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: jonrick46
I see this issue having its dynamics tied to the elderly who have retired in Florida. It is an evil paradigm which causes these elderly to pull the plug on their spouses as soon as they find their savings going to expensive medical care procedures. This says that there has been a failure to protect the elderly as the costs of life-saving medical procedures have gone through the roof and exceed what their Medicare is able to provide. They have been put between the rock and the hard spot whenever medical costs go beyond their Medicare coverage and threaten economic disaster. This is where the web of evil is spun.

One point the euthenasia-advocates will try to bring up is that without the 'final solution', the coming generational crisis will have no solution. Their point is not entirely without merit; unless something is done the country won't be able to afford to treat the elderly decently. This is going to be a real problem, and if a solution isn't found within 10-20 years things are going to get very ugly.

583 posted on 02/24/2005 12:07:12 AM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: supercat

Oregon has found a "solution". They did a lotto for healthcare resources. Civilized state and all.


584 posted on 02/24/2005 12:09:17 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: jonrick46

I see it the opposite way; as I approach my dotage I would not want to live in a state that is so looie-liberal on the "right-to-die" that my relatives and friends could send me to an early deathbed by fabricating anecdotes about me with sufficient sincerity in their voices. I would even love to see wishes to be kept alive expressed in the so called living will to be made legally binding; shockingly enough it is only 'advisory' and if I say in it "don't starve me" but whoever happens into guardianship disagrees, then I can get starved anyhow. This is Mengelean. I'd actually prefer that kind of Oregon to this kind of Florida because at least the patient has to CHOOSE the suicide, it can't be foisted on him or her otherwise.


585 posted on 02/24/2005 12:10:02 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: TAdams8591

I guess we have to go through this at least once a night ;)


586 posted on 02/24/2005 12:10:32 AM PST by STARWISE (George Bush's pockets are full of EARNED CAPITAL, and he's in a spendin' mood ;-)
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To: supercat

The abortion mill bears its own share of blame for the dwindling financial basis of Social Security, Medicare, and the like.


587 posted on 02/24/2005 12:11:47 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
because at least the patient has to CHOOSE the suicide, it can't be foisted on him or her otherwise.

Well, it sounds good in theory but it is a failure in practise. They have had a sudden and unexplainable large increase in reporting the degree of pain experienced by patients since they went legal. Hmmm.

Some nephews take auntie shopping and convince her to get with the program. Auntie is elderly and somewhat confused but nephews can help! They can even provide the glass of water to take the pills with.

588 posted on 02/24/2005 12:12:46 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Dustbunny

Because it has been done many, many times before and is being done outside of the media in most cities on a daily basis.


589 posted on 02/24/2005 12:13:46 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The abortion mill bears its own share of blame for the dwindling financial basis of Social Security, Medicare, and the like.

As does the fact that increasing FICA taxes almost certainly reduces the birthrate.

590 posted on 02/24/2005 12:14:10 AM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: MarMema

I thought I saw that the number of suicides under the Oregon law was something like 25 per year. Maybe part of the increase in pain reporting is from patients whose doctors are no longer quite as afraid to prescribe mountains of morphine when nothing else will do.


591 posted on 02/24/2005 12:15:44 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: MarMema
Because it has been done many, many times before and is being done outside of the media in most cities on a daily basis.

And per my liberal credo #1, the more people do a wrong thing, the less wrong it becomes.

592 posted on 02/24/2005 12:15:58 AM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: olde north church
I am going to amend my comment in 570.

In all fairness, I can't consider Michael a "pawn." He was able to use Terri's condition, which he may well have caused, to MANIPULATE the Judicial system into awarding him 1.7 million dollars. Now Michael is EXPLOITING the pro-euthanasia crowd and the same Judicial System into covering up an attempted murder with a REAL murder (followed by the immediate cremation of the evidence of his attempted murder) by order of the COURT. IF Michael succeeds, I'd call it not only A PERFECT MURDER, but a PERFECT COVERUP (of an attempted murder).

REAL LIFE is sometimes stranger than fiction. It would be difficult to imagine such a scenario even if you tried.

593 posted on 02/24/2005 12:17:05 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: TAdams8591
In all fairness, I can't consider Michael a "pawn."

No, but nor is he the driving force here. Michael's just a two-bit thug who wants to cover up his crimes. Felos is the one who likes killing for killing's sake.

594 posted on 02/24/2005 12:19:42 AM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: TAdams8591

Yeah, it is fishy that hino's jihad to honor his wife's "wishes" to die waited conveniently for the insurance settlement. Hino hadn't spent even the tenth part of it on rehab before vociferously giving up. The "why is the bitch taking so long to die" guy.


595 posted on 02/24/2005 12:21:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: supercat

I don't grok your Albatross allusion if it means Terri. How can they "let it fly away"?


596 posted on 02/24/2005 12:23:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"A disturbing study published in the November 2004 Journal of Palliative Medicine reported that Oregon patients in the last week of their lives were "twice as likely" between 2000-2002 to be reported to be "in moderate or severe pain" than reported in the years 1996-1997 -- a time mostly prior to Oregon's law going into effect."

Twice is a big jump. Opportunity has opened the door. These people are dying and suddenly in much greater need of help out the door, I mean more pain meds, than before.

597 posted on 02/24/2005 12:31:34 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: supercat
Felos is the one who likes killing for killing's sake.

And $oro$.

598 posted on 02/24/2005 12:32:27 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: supercat
The Euthanasia crowd is using Michael and Michael is using the euthanasia crowd. It's PERFECT SYMBIOSIS.

Because the Euthanasia CROWD has MORE MONEY and POWER then MICHAEL, they are the driving force. However, both parties have an equal motivation.

599 posted on 02/24/2005 12:32:45 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: supercat

Agreed.


600 posted on 02/24/2005 12:33:52 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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