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Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
News4 Colorado ^ | 2/24/05 | Raj Chohan

Posted on 02/24/2005 10:19:19 PM PST by Fizzie

Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question

by CBS4 News reporter Raj Chohan

Feb 24, 2005 8:03 pm US/Mountain BOULDER, Colo. (CBS4) Boulder County resident Duke Prentup has been a fan of native American art for as long as he can remember. That love of art took him to the home of Ward Churchill in the early 1980's, where Prentup bought several pieces of Churchill's art, including a serigraph titled "Winter Attack."

"I have enjoyed them ever since immensely, they're obviously up inside my house," Prentup said.

Last month came a stunning revelation, though, as as Prentup flipped through a 1972 book called The Mystic Warriors of the Plains written and illustrated by the late artist Thomas E. Mails. He found a sketch that was strikingly similar to the Churchill piece.

(Excerpt) See the rest of the article, and photo comparisons of the 2 pieces of art here: http://news4colorado.com/topstories/local_story_055200531.html

(Excerpt) Read more at news4colorado.com ...


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To: shezza
Even the position of the feathers in the headdress and the flow of the fringe in the sash are IDENTICAL in the postcard photo and Churchill's "original by me, Ward Churchill, from my own Native American imagination" photocopy artwork.

Exactly... the feathers in the headdress was the first thing I focused on when trying determine if Churchill's drawing was copied. It's an obvious match.

301 posted on 02/25/2005 4:28:06 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: Howlin; Drango; Flyer
Here's a clearer pic of the same Churchill "Cheyennes" painting, this one's of a postcard in a set offered by a museum. Still haven't found the original, non-Churchill source image, though.

Found it here, Turtle Island Publishing, the caption reads:

Museum Collection Notecards
Institute of American Indian Arts
These high-quality blank notecards feature artwork from five renowned American Indian artists in the IAIA Museum Collection. Their work reflects the diverse tribal sensibilities that exist among native nations. T. C. Cannon (Caddo/Kiowa), Jonathan Warm Day (Taos Pueblo), Peggie Deam (Suquamish), Ward Churchill (Keetoowah/Cherokee), and Randy Chitto (Choctaw) are featured in this first volume.
Ten notecards, 2 each of 5 images. 5 ¼ x 4 ¼ ".
Suggested retail $7.95
ISBN 1-928816-12-6

302 posted on 02/25/2005 4:54:00 AM PST by TheSarce (Liberalism: The irrational, intolerant cult that dare not speak its name.)
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To: opinionator

Hilarious!


303 posted on 02/25/2005 4:55:10 AM PST by yoe
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To: dread78645; Peach; Mo1

Bumpity bump bump! And PING this entire thread!


304 posted on 02/25/2005 4:55:50 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: TheSarce
Looking at that "artwork" again, it seems to me that this is alaso a tracing off a photo. I will check to see if I can find something.

By the way, I wasn't on this thread last night but I read one post that said that these are not all produced in the same style, and that in itself indicates fakery. I agree. An artist may change his style, but not so quickly. A change in style evolves over time.

305 posted on 02/25/2005 4:57:46 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

I just talked to a News 4 reporter here in Denver to alert them to the "Little Big Man" Churchill fraud drawing from earlier in this thread. They are now looking at that one in addition to the one they reported on last night.


306 posted on 02/25/2005 5:01:49 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: TheSarce
Still haven't found the original, non-Churchill source image, though.

It's out there, though. This one follows the same pattern: A duplicate, but a little less detail.

If Churchill did his interpretation it would be one thing, but these were done by mechanical means.

307 posted on 02/25/2005 5:03:03 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: prairiebreeze

"It is an original art work by me, after Thomas Mails," Churchill said. "The fact that the purchaser was ignorant of the reality of what was perfectly publicly stated at the time the edition was printed is not my responsibility."

A closer examination of the Churchill piece revealed there is no credit given to the original artist. And, Churchill refused to provide us with documentation that would prove his claims.

But even if its exists, it wouldn't be enough to protect Churchill from copyright infringement unless he had permission from the copyright holder.

"Unless there was consent for Churchill to do the piece, then there is a copyright infringement here," Hubbell said.

It seem to me the school will HAVE to fire him. Hehehehe


308 posted on 02/25/2005 5:07:14 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: BJungNan
BJung Nan this is a fantastic post. Very, very nice work.

LMAO!

309 posted on 02/25/2005 5:07:32 AM PST by Chuck54 (Real courage is when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway. - Harper Lee)
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To: Miss Marple
Looking at that "artwork" again, it seems to me that this is alaso a tracing off a photo...

Yep. Make sure you check out the posts at #167, 168, and especially 187 and 189. Make sure you're not drinking coffee or you'll lose your keyboard! ;-)

You've got some art background, right? How do we track down the other originals? I've been searching through Google Images, but it's just hit and miss hoping some combination of keywords brings something up.

310 posted on 02/25/2005 5:10:58 AM PST by TheSarce (Liberalism: The irrational, intolerant cult that dare not speak its name.)
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To: Fizzie

There's an old technique of copying an image using prismatic effect of light through glass.
Copies the image in reverse.
Dick Blick art supply has something like it, currently looking to see if it's still listed on their website.
(It was in the catalogue I have of theirs from a few years back!)

Friend's kids have something like it, and it uses two plastic pieces to 'mirror' the image onto your clean sheet of paper so you can trace it.


311 posted on 02/25/2005 5:11:57 AM PST by Darksheare (Whoever this "General Chat" is, I'll kick him in his shins when I find him.)
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To: Fizzie

Well... it was fun... off to sleep after working the overnight shift. The continued investigation is in good hands.


312 posted on 02/25/2005 5:13:34 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: Drango; Sgt_Schultze; Fizzie

I had my wife take a look at that painting. She said most of her students could have done at least that well. My wife taught elementary students.


313 posted on 02/25/2005 5:14:02 AM PST by magslinger (Gun control laws are like OSHA for criminals-Thomas Sowell)
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To: Fizzie
Another mirror image...


314 posted on 02/25/2005 5:16:40 AM PST by reagan_fanatic ("Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence" - R. Kirk)
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To: TheSarce; CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

I know I've seen these pictures before. I think they were individual black and white photos that WC put together and colored for this picture.


315 posted on 02/25/2005 5:18:21 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Fizzie

More proof that Churchill is a colossal fraud.


316 posted on 02/25/2005 5:18:53 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: TheSarce
I don't know. I have tried searching google under the following phrases:

Sioux
Cheyenne
Nez Perce (I happened to notice that Colorado has a Nez Perce collection in the department of ethnic studies)
Chief Joseph (because of the Nez Perce thing)
two Indians
19th century Indian photographs

So far I have found nothing.

I am going to look at the picture again to see if it gives any clues.

317 posted on 02/25/2005 5:19:17 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Fizzie
One of the seller's remarks:

ALL SALES FINAL, ASK QUESTIONS FIRST, THANKS

318 posted on 02/25/2005 5:19:18 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: Howlin

Didn't someone mention that his name is really something like Walter Churchill Ward? I'm sure I read it on one of the threads but can't find it now.


319 posted on 02/25/2005 5:19:27 AM PST by pepperdog
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To: msnimje

AS in all liberals it's always the other guys fault.


320 posted on 02/25/2005 5:23:17 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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To: mollynme

I think you are onto something. The dress in these two figures is different, as is the detail. I think you are right.


321 posted on 02/25/2005 5:24:00 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin
Holy cow! & LOL. Well, we're finding that he is a typical liberal.
322 posted on 02/25/2005 5:24:52 AM PST by b4its2late (This is like deja vu all over again.)
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To: Bogtrotter52
you can see his thin veneer is cracking already.

Yes, I can see it. He is the type that feels so "put-upon" and he is never challenged in his protective liberal cocoon of the university, that one day when someone gets in his face he's going to go nuts.

I'll tell you, if he ever visits "to lecture" in my city with three very prominent universities, I will be there "in his face". I will be in the audience and I'll be ripping him a new one about everything that he has lied about -- especially the lies about his military service!

'Professor Sitting B*llsh*t' is going to blow........ maybe one of us can help light the fuse.

323 posted on 02/25/2005 5:26:27 AM PST by beyond the sea (Barbara Boxer is Barbra Streisand on peyote .....)
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To: mollynme

I was thinking the exact same thing, the original(s) may be two separate images. The shadows on the faces do seem to match, but he could have fixed that. There's something about the positioning of the people that seems to hint at them having been spliced together, but I can't say for sure.

I was keeping an eye out for that as I was Googling, looking not just for two people posed that way, but for each individual. I can't search any more this morning, plus I'm just on dial-up and it's slow loading even the thumbnails!


324 posted on 02/25/2005 5:26:33 AM PST by TheSarce (Liberalism: The irrational, intolerant cult that dare not speak its name.)
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To: Howlin; Peach; Miss Marple
WOW and double WOW. I missed the fun last night, but this morning's reading has me laughing hard!

Ward Churchill (real name?) is an onion, and Freepers keep on peeling away the layers of his lies. I love this place and the Freepers who expose imposters like him.

325 posted on 02/25/2005 5:26:47 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: Carolinamom

bump


326 posted on 02/25/2005 5:30:50 AM PST by Salman
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To: TheSarce

I won't be able to search much longer. I have a couple of books downstairs that may have some photos. I also think I am going to check the National Archives photo collection.


327 posted on 02/25/2005 5:31:02 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin

You are right,I do love it... I just read it....this morning first thing....the end is near for the Imposter Indian, the Imposter Indian artist, the Imposter Intellectual.


328 posted on 02/25/2005 5:31:23 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( The Year of Freeping Dangerously)
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To: Carolinamom

Wow, indeed. The man is a complete fraud. Amazing the left hasn't gone after him for copywrite stealing from a protected class...the Indians.


329 posted on 02/25/2005 5:31:43 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: mollynme

I work at an antiques & fine arts place that deals with this sort of thing. I'll take a look at the books we have on photography today.


330 posted on 02/25/2005 5:33:09 AM PST by Nataku X (Food for Thought: http://web2.airmail.net/scsr/)
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To: Fizzie

When are the people of Colorado going to get rid of this fraud? Free speech or not, this guy has lied about his roots and has committed artistic plagarism. Ethical standards alone should require his dismissal.


331 posted on 02/25/2005 5:36:38 AM PST by MHT
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To: Fizzie
The Story is catching on so fast, Even CBS is reporting the Fraud.

http://news4colorado.com/topstories/local_story_055200531.html

332 posted on 02/25/2005 5:36:43 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( The Year of Freeping Dangerously)
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To: Fizzie; hellinahandcart

Wow!


333 posted on 02/25/2005 5:38:09 AM PST by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: BradyLS

The original artist is dead, and so probably won't be filing a suit, though I suppose his heirs might.

The guy who bought the piece from Ward Churchill would seem to have grounds for a suit, for having been sold a fraudulent piece of 'original' signed artwork.


334 posted on 02/25/2005 5:38:13 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: All; yall

If you haven't been through the entire thread, we found another fraud at post #187.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1350713/posts?page=200#187


335 posted on 02/25/2005 5:44:33 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: phinnious

I'm willing to bet anything Ward says is a fraud.
Oops, you seem to have gotten a can of ZotYourButt opened on you, troll.
"ZYB, does a troll good."


336 posted on 02/25/2005 5:45:40 AM PST by Darksheare (Whoever this "General Chat" is, I'll kick him in his shins when I find him.)
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See #167, too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1350713/posts?page=200#167


337 posted on 02/25/2005 5:45:49 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: Howlin

He smokes cigarettes.


338 posted on 02/25/2005 5:48:14 AM PST by jackbill
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To: sauropod

Yeah, he's got some interesting "art" in his office too. An American flag with $$ instead of stars and "Free Mumia" written on it.

He'll get away with this by calling it "homage".


339 posted on 02/25/2005 5:48:40 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Howlin

Great great catch there on Berry - one of the most dispicable people in public life - and now this? The unveiling begins, eh?


340 posted on 02/25/2005 5:49:24 AM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: Miss Marple; Howlin; Flyer
the National Archives photo collection.

See, that art knowledge of yours is handy, LOL. I've spent hours Googling random "indian photo" type phrases, and never thought of that.

It's pretty obvious we will eventually track down the source images, Churchill's M.O. is pretty clear. But "art" is so subjective, he'll just say what he's done is like Warhol re-interpreting Marilyn Monroe photos and Campbell's Soup cans. Isn't the real question we need to dig into whether he represented these pieces when he sold them AS such interpretations, or as ORIGINAL works of art? What is the usual way someone would be expected to give credit on such stuff?

341 posted on 02/25/2005 5:51:27 AM PST by TheSarce (Liberalism: The irrational, intolerant cult that dare not speak its name.)
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To: Bahbah; MinuteGal

New research being done....Looks like the new red flannel PJs (with feet) arrived just in time!


342 posted on 02/25/2005 5:51:58 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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To: Fizzie

What a day-brightener! I've been chuckling all morning :-)


343 posted on 02/25/2005 5:52:46 AM PST by T'wit (I offer a slogan for Hillary's presidential campaign: "Maybe she'll bring back the silverware!")
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To: daybreakcoming
"Although I'm best known by my colonial name, Ward Churchill, the name I prefer is Kenis, an Ojibwe name bestowed by my wife's uncle."

Push Here

344 posted on 02/25/2005 5:55:23 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: TheSarce
whether he represented these pieces when he sold them AS such interpretations

Knowing what we know about him, I would doubt it. Anyway, his work is not an interpretation, but more like a reproduction.

345 posted on 02/25/2005 5:57:11 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: TheSarce

I need to leave for a good chunk of the day. I will be home in the afternoon and do some more searching.


346 posted on 02/25/2005 5:57:39 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: NormsRevenge
maybe he copied some of her works, too?

The question is, who did Mary Francis Berry copy her works from?

Her public utterances make it very, very unlikely that she earned a law degree from Michigan, and her PhD is very likely phony.

347 posted on 02/25/2005 5:57:54 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Fizzie

Bump for his demise watch.


348 posted on 02/25/2005 6:02:08 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Gas?)
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To: Fizzie
His heritage seems to be a fraud.
His military accomplishments seem to be a fraud.
Some of his writings seem to be fraudulant or plagiarized.
His educational credentials seem questionable.
Now, his artwork is questionable.




349 posted on 02/25/2005 6:06:43 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: TomGuy

Looks like he used an overhead projector. Copied it onto a transparency and then reversed it and copied it onto his canvas.....A real artist! NOT


350 posted on 02/25/2005 6:10:02 AM PST by hoosiermama (It's more than an election...It's a change of heart....an enlightenment....life is important)
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