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Revenge killings of members of Saddam's former regime rise
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Posted on 02/25/2005 2:53:11 PM PST by jmc1969

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To: taxcontrol

I agree. This kind of thing has happened in any society that has thrown off the shackles of tyranny, to a greater or lesser degree, especially in those as murderous as Saddam's. Saddam and his Baathist thugs created this culture of death. My only hesitation about it all is that I want to see a stable Iraq where violence is winding down, not one where new groups contribute to the problem. Nevertheless, these Baathist animals are getting what they deserve.


21 posted on 02/25/2005 3:16:47 PM PST by MikeA
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To: jmc1969

And the Genie says to the American, What is your wish?

The American says, "I'll have a coke."


22 posted on 02/25/2005 3:18:29 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Hodar

You're right. This will be Iraq's big challenge. If former criminals get to the justice system first, they might spare the nation a civil war. I have a feeling that there will be a lot of lynching parties and a lot of former henchmen that won't give up. The henchmen might not even give up to spare their own family, but some might if given the opportunity.


23 posted on 02/25/2005 3:18:43 PM PST by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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To: Cicero

What percentage are the Sunnis in Iraq? Maybe 20-30 %? Not good odds for a civil war against the Shiites who comprise about 60% of Iraq's population.

This is just revenge coming to roost. Can't say as I blame them.


24 posted on 02/25/2005 3:19:08 PM PST by 4mer Liberal (Iron is my favorite element....whether you're pumping it or dropping it, you get the same buzz)
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To: Hodar

I have no sympathy for these Baathist vermin. I cannot begin to tell you how much I've read about Saddam's depravity. I've read many, many books and articles about it which is why I've been a supporter of regime change in Iraq since 1991. I didn't need 9-11, WMD or Saddam's connections to Al Qaeda to convince me Saddam needed to go. His absolute horrors unleashed on the Iraqi people were beyond anything I've read since Stalin and Hitler. I have absolute contempt for Saddam and his Tikriti mafia that ran Iraq like a house of horrors. And I shed not one tear for any member of Saddam's terror apparatus being dealt final justice. Good riddance to bad trash.

My only worry in all this is that it contributes to less stability in Iraq, not more. And I want this effort in Iraq to succeed more than anything. I'm just not sure revenge killings, as viscerally satisfying as they may be, take us down the road of stability. Rather I see them furthering the culture of death, violence and instability there. While I'm glad to see these vile pigs sent back to hell from whence they came, my thinking side tells me this isn't good for the development of democracy in Iraq.


25 posted on 02/25/2005 3:21:55 PM PST by MikeA
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To: taxcontrol
Even so, not enough of the "bad" people have been killed. Yes, the coalition has taken out several thousand. But there will be more to come.

I agree. I believe the pre-war estimates of the Special Republican Guard and Fedayeen Saddam were something like 60,000 of them combined.

26 posted on 02/25/2005 3:22:42 PM PST by Publius Scipio
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To: taxcontrol
Even so, not enough of the "bad" people have been killed.

Exactly. Saddam's "security and intelligence" boys have to be killed. They're not human any more.

27 posted on 02/25/2005 3:23:53 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: jmc1969
After a revolution, this always happens. It has to. The Iraq war wasn't a revolution, but it's socially equivalent to one.

One hopes that the payback is not indiscriminate, but as long as it's not, civil war isn't a likely outcome. And the worry about that while US troops are there is unfounded.

28 posted on 02/25/2005 3:24:35 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: jmc1969
It's an expected reaction.

In fact, it's a positive sign that the Shia are becoming convinced that the Baath Party is gone for good. A very good step in the long march to self governance.

29 posted on 02/25/2005 3:25:19 PM PST by ohCompGk
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To: jmc1969
-unfortunately, something like this didn't happen to all of the leftover Communists after the fall of the USSR--
30 posted on 02/25/2005 3:25:35 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: 4mer Liberal

The purge is in effect. They will be gone soon enough as they go through the checklist.


31 posted on 02/25/2005 3:26:50 PM PST by granite
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To: jmc1969

Where's Kofi Annon when all this is going on? He should issue another edict...telling the Shiites to stop this as soon as possible.


32 posted on 02/25/2005 3:28:14 PM PST by Rudder
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To: 4mer Liberal
What percentage are the Sunnis in Iraq?

Shrinking.

33 posted on 02/25/2005 3:28:16 PM PST by Polybius
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To: MikeA

Oh, I agree with you on your points. Saddam was evil, revenge killing is disruptive to the process. But, there are some serious scores that need to be settled; and now is a good time for that. In a year, the police force may be such that revenge will be more difficult.

Yes, it's disruptive; but I think it is unavoidable.


34 posted on 02/25/2005 3:28:39 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: jmc1969

This is horrible. We should give them a deadline to stop these killings, say 10 years, before we come after them.


35 posted on 02/25/2005 3:31:35 PM PST by caisson71
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To: jmc1969

They're killing the insurgents you mean.


36 posted on 02/25/2005 3:33:07 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: jmc1969

They're killing the insurgents you mean.


37 posted on 02/25/2005 3:34:48 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: rellimpank
..unfortunately, something like this didn't happen to all of the leftover Communists after the fall of the USSR--

..forgive me, but Vlad (frm. KGB Chief) Putin, is STILL in power..it seems the Red Russian Bear was only hibernating...w/ more $$$$, and hungrier, to boot. :(

38 posted on 02/25/2005 3:41:32 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: nuconvert
The bad thing would be for real civil war to break out. The country is just starting to get things together and make progress. Civil war may be 2 steps backward.

I know. But I'm still having trouble feeling very bad about it :)

39 posted on 02/25/2005 3:52:28 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: jmc1969

This is no different that the Kurds having to leave Fallujah because the Sunnis were hunting them down in that town and killing them.

Why all the sympathy for the Sunnis all of a sudden from the OLD MEDIA?


40 posted on 02/25/2005 3:54:52 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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