An Example of Chinese Torture: Sexual Abuse

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[zook]

I've been there, I know many people there and I know many people from there who now live here. It's no paradise, to be sure. But China has made huge strides over the past 20 years in terms of becoming more free and humane.

[epow]

the wanton evil and bloodlust it describes is in no way characteristic of any Chinese I have ever met (and I know a lot of them).

Chinese are no different from any other race. They are capable of the most inhuman behavior imaginable, as are people of all races. If you have a strong stomach, try reading about the methods of torture commonly used throughout civilized and cultured Europe up until the last century or two. While it may be true that certain cultures are likely to produce more sadistic individual members than others, I don't believe that any one race or culture has a corner on man's inhumanity to man. That practice has been universal since before recorded history.

Regarding your statement about torturing prisoners not being characteristic of Chinese who you know, consider this;

I remember reading a book written by one of the American Flying Tiger pilots of WWII. He gave an account of witnessing the execution by torture of two Chinese workers who were caught stealing food from the American compound. The local Chinese authorities carried out the sentence by hanging the naked men from a tree branch by their wrists and taking turns flogging them with leather bullwhips until they died. The process required several hours of flogging to kill the men, and before they died their skin and flesh was hanging in shreds from their bodies.

According to the author that kind of death sentence was the normal practice in China of that era. If that kind of "justice" was meted out under a supposedly benign pro-American government, I have no doubt that a Communist government would use even more inhuman methods in it's treatment of criminals and dissidents. IOW, I don't find anything questionable in the article's description of Red China's "justice" system.

[epow]

I would appreciate it if these gratuitous charges of "naivete" would cease.

In those charges offend you, I recommend that in the future you refrain from making naive statements in your posts. after having read more of your posts since posting my initial comments I see that I may have misinterpreted your original post. But I think you must admit that your first post is quite susceptible to such misinterpretation.

[lafroste]

I remember reading a book written by one of the American Flying Tiger pilots of WWII. He gave an account of witnessing the execution by torture of two Chinese workers who were caught stealing food from the American compound.

Eighteenth century Chinese novels (written under pen names because being an author was considered "low class") provide a fascinating insight into Chinese thinking. In those stories, punishment of the perpetrator was every bit as much of the story as the exemplary detective work used to catch them. One example is "the Celebrated Cases of Judge Dee" where Dee was sort of a Chinese Sherlock Holmes. According to the law at the time (mideavil China, where the story was set, say ~1,200 AD, not the 1900's when the story was written), a suspect could not be convicted and punished unless he confessed to the crime. In "Judge Dee" they did indeed utilize all manor of hideous torture to illicit that confession. Of course, once the perp confessed (for some reason Judge Dee was never wrong) then the story spoke in great detail about his manner of execution. However, the interrogation was usually much worse than the final sentence.

My original point about the article I posted those comments too was that that specific article was propaganda aimed at inciting racial hatred of the Chinese, and I object to that.