Posted on 03/04/2005 12:33:13 PM PST by llevrok
Not fraud at all.
Could illustrate the difference between this this bit of deception and fraud?
Well, you need detrimental reliance on an intentional misrepresentation --- detrimental in the sense that you are materially harmed.
So -- exactly how was someone damaged by getting paid $10? And giving nothing of value?
I agree with you, IF it is true. I don't want republicans crawling through the muck. The truth always comes out and even if Gregoire stays in office, she will prove herself to be just another DEMOCRAT tax and spend liberal.
I think you have to look at this in context and in proportion.
You either have rules or you dont. Using deception to find out real fraud is just not in the same catagory.
good point .
Ok, I will bite. These people were harmed because they were exposed as criminals!
I guess we need to prosecute the government in every case where someone wore a wire to acquire to the info based on 'detrimental reliance'
yep. Good opinion. Not mine, but I respect yours.
I think the answering of survey question...the giving of my time and personal information would qualify.
Cashing the check changes their phone service and signs them up for a two year internet contract?
I'm just looking for a little education on the definition of fraud and how it relates to this case. There is usually a vast amount of knowledge on Freerepublic, and I would rather strengthen my views and arguments among friends before I go talk to Liberals.
I agree with it. The government should actually be doing it, and busting their butts to find those who would destroy our republic. This man should be lauded as a hero and his efforts advertised to scare the voter criminals.
So says the pot calling the kettle black.
Actually this thought crossed my mind when reading the post. If it is something like a survey then I wouldn't have a problem just telling my hubby to sign it. Or I might sign it for him and turn it in. I doubt that is what happened in all 400 cases though.
I smell fear. This guy is guilty of something and is afraid.
If it were the case that people who committed vote fraud were locked up for one year per count, I would have a problem with this deception.
But that is not the case and our sucks compared, to say, Iraq and afghan, were people are marked with purple.
It is to the point were I am for getting rid of abesntee balloting, except for military and expats.
The dems are just mad because they didn't think of it first !!! ROTFLOL!!!
I don't see anything illegal about it - it's strictly voluntary - and I guess you get to keep the $10 even if you don't return the survey ..??
If it were the case that people who committed vote fraud were locked up for one year per count, I would have a problem with this deception.
But that is not the case and our voting system sucks compared, to say, Iraq and afghan, were people are marked with purple.
It is to the point were I am for getting rid of abesntee balloting, except for military and expats.
"If I get a letter from a business that says it is for purpose A. I participate based on that representation that the information is for purpose A. If turns out that the business was not using the information for purpose A as they indicated, but rather the undisclosed purpose B."
Do you consider grocery store discount cards to be fraudulant?
The only way to justify this tactic is to say, "Two wrongs make a right." And I don't agree with that.
We're finally fighting back! I bet the 'rats are shaking in their boots. I think I see the U-Haul ....
No, actually I don't think so.
Consider this. I'm a legitimate building organization, and I ask you to answer a survey and I pay you $10. You've been compensated for your time, and you volunteered anyway.
So now I, the builder organization, sell the data I've collected to the republican party.
Why can't I? I made no promise to you that the information would be treated as confidential.
So -- you have no privacy interest, because you didn't bargain for it.
And you're not harmed, and being harmed -- DETRIMENTAL reliance -- is an element that must be proved to prove fraud.
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