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Ukraine's Security Chief Says Ex-Official Killed Himself (shot twice in the head)
NY Times ^ | March 5 | STEVEN LEE MYERS

Posted on 03/05/2005 5:31:43 PM PST by jb6

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To: jb6

Wow !


61 posted on 03/06/2005 12:52:58 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: GarySpFc

"You Poles sold your souls out to a bunch of atheists."

Do you think Gary that we still have some chance to be forgiven ?


62 posted on 03/06/2005 12:57:50 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wow. Reading the posts on this thread sure drives home the point that all isn't quiet on the Eastern Front...


63 posted on 03/06/2005 1:00:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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To: GarySpFc

Gary !!! Say something !


64 posted on 03/06/2005 1:02:23 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: jb6; GarySpFc
I beg you, our Russian Friends !

Is there any chance to rebuild our Slavic brotherhood and fight together against these ugly fascists from the 4th Reich !? Could you convince colonel Putin that we should be forgiven !??
65 posted on 03/06/2005 1:17:48 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Lukasz

OMG ! Even Gary doesn't want to help us ! There is no chance for us...


66 posted on 03/06/2005 1:19:20 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246; lizol
Come on! We rules anyway!

"Precz z siepactwem. Chwala nam i naszym kolegom. Chuje precz!" :-)
67 posted on 03/06/2005 1:30:35 PM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: Lukasz
"Precz z siepactwem. Chwala nam i naszym kolegom. Chuje precz!"

I have analyzed your statement and I think that I may agree with you.
68 posted on 03/06/2005 1:42:15 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246; Lukasz; jb6
Hey, it was your choice to turn towards humanism, secularism, atheism, and Islam. God grants us free will, and the members of the EU have made their choice. It is all downhill from now on. It is going to be interesting when the French dust off the guillotine.
Remember, the prodigal son finally recognized he was better off sitting at his Father's table than laying in the pig pen eating swill. At least give Putin credit for heading in the right direction towards being a Christian nation. They have a long ways to go, but God honors those who try over those who pretend.
69 posted on 03/06/2005 2:36:30 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: jb6
My thoughts as well, how the hell do you commit suicide, twice! Sounds like he had a little help.
70 posted on 03/06/2005 3:08:00 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Nothing is quiet on the Eastern Front; that's why the threads about eastern Europe are so interesting. A lot of interesting stuff happening there.


71 posted on 03/06/2005 3:11:31 PM PST by franksolich (look for the "made in Norway" label on the can of fish)
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To: jb6

Uh, I wouldn't be all as negative about that.

First of all, the European "Union" is not bound to endure--and it could very well be the eastern European countries that crack it apart.

I doubt the European "Union" will last past 2020, and probably even shatter by 2015.

As we know, Paris, Brussels, and Berlin run the show.

Which of course they could do, as long as the European "Union" was reasonably compact. But as with all things, the larger it gets, the more unwieldy it gets.

Since the experiences of the eastern European nations are "different" from the experiences of Paris, Brussels, and Berlin, there are likely to be serious differences once the former are integrated with the latter.

I could very well imagine a scenario where the mere Bulgarians, of all people, might provide the banana-peel on which Paris, Brussels, and Berlin slip.

Who knows; man proposes, God disposes.

Yeah, sure, it is disappointing that Poland, the valiant independent assertive Poles, joined the European "Union," but one has to remember an important detail here.

Poland apparently joined the European "Union" so as to keep the socio-economic, political, and military influence of Russia at bay--something which must always concern them--and so as to strength ties with the west.

There is the matter of geography to be considered.

I am sure the general public support, in Poland, for the European "Union" is lukewarm (this is speculation of mine, not firm knowledge), but how else to accomplish their need to distance themselves from Russia and to join the west?

I mean, Poland cannot join South America, as much as they might wish to. One has to take what one can get.

It appears Poland is sorely aware that nothing has changed; everything is as it always has been.

For one example, the Russians negotiated a deal with Paris, Brussels, and Berlin, involving the sale of natural gas to the European "Union," via pipeline.

The easiest, quickest, and cheapest way would have been to build the pipeline right through Poland to Paris, Brussels, and Berlin--not to mention that it would have provided jobs, and income, for Poland.

And Poland, as a member of the European "Union," deserved such consideration--after all, what are the Europeans but brothers, and close brothers at that, and as all brothers concerned for the well-being of each other?

Or so it would seem.

Anyway, so Russia, and Paris, Brussels, and Berlin, agreed to build the pipeline underneath the Baltic Sea, bypassing Poland altogether.

So much for "unity" here.

I have no doubt Poland will inevitably see itself as merely being "used" by Paris, Brussels, and Berlin, and provide some of that which will inevitably shatter the European "Union."

I have confidence in Poland.


72 posted on 03/06/2005 3:39:20 PM PST by franksolich (short-term pessimist, long-term optimist)
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To: jb6
What the heck was he using, a pellet gun?

No, it was a regular handgun. You can read about the case in this book. I gave away my copy to someone who is studying forensics in college, so I can't check if the caliber was mentioned. The book said that the man's eyes were still moving and following the police as they entered the room. His secretary was pounding on the locked door as she heard the five shots. I figure that his temporary survival depended on the specific paths that the bullets took through his head.

73 posted on 03/06/2005 3:40:58 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Grzegorz 246
Good try. We're not Russian, and you're part and supporter of the 4th Reich. Your crocodile tears give you away.
74 posted on 03/06/2005 3:56:05 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: GarySpFc; Grzegorz 246; Lukasz; jb6

It's funny how on their first year in the EU their unemployment rate went from a mind boggling 18% to an even more stupified rate of 19.5%, but then again, they're keeping ahead of their main competition in the EU: France 10%, Germany 12.5%. I'm sure they have nothing but upwards to look forward to. Wait till they actually switch to the Euro, oh the fun that begins then.


75 posted on 03/06/2005 4:00:29 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: franksolich

Poland has been meeting more and more with France's Chirac lately and coming on line to their stance, to include dumping Boeing for Airbus. Also, read up on those links I posted, the Loyalty Clause of the EU unConstitution is an eye openner. Did you know that there is no recourse to sue an EU cop? That's just a few examples, like the lack of Habeous Corpus and other "unnecessary" rights. But then again, there is no God in the EU so how can there be inalliable rights? And if things in the brewing police state start to really fall apart, well start a war, that's what most such regime do.


76 posted on 03/06/2005 4:03:48 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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To: GarySpFc
Exactly, you showed us the real wisdom Gary, you and your friend jb6 showed us that Truth == Putin. I will never forget about it.
Soon, when the 4th Reich will force us to have abortion on demand, euthanasia, multi-culturalism, a Mosque on every corner, Islamic education in the schools, Shari courts, gay parades etc. I will at least know that there still are some people, who knows that Truth == Putin, who knows that muliti-Putinism is the only chance for the mankind, who realize that Putin parades and Putinistic education in the schools are the only solution.
It gives me hope for the bright future. Thank you Gary, thank you so much !
77 posted on 03/06/2005 5:38:18 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: jb6

"We're not Russian..."

I'm your brother ! You don't have to hide it.


78 posted on 03/06/2005 5:40:51 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: jb6
Yes, I'm worried that the 4th Reich may attack Russia... It would be a tragedy... But we must believe in our dear leader colonel Putin, he will defeat the fascists, just like his uncle - Great Uncle Joe !!!
79 posted on 03/06/2005 5:46:56 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: jb6
Yes, but don't be afraid, our great leader colonel Putin I will save us, the whole Slavic family and the whole Christian world.

Colonel Putin has a secret plan. Look here...






Why does our leader meet these fascists ? This is his secret plan - he is spreading some poison when he is close to them and in this way he will kill the fascists and save the world again !
80 posted on 03/06/2005 5:56:12 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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