Posted on 03/06/2005 3:33:58 PM PST by RWR8189
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Mat 24:6
Amen. No troubling here, but thanks for the encouragement, brother.
Re: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1357369/posts?page=36#36 "Bunk. Jeremiah 31:31ff puts the lie to that garbage." ~ savedbygrace
You're misinformed.
Paul destroys the entire dispensational, pre-millennial and post-millennial edifice in one sentence: Galatians 3:7
There can be no appeal from this fundamental statement.
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Moses or Christ?
Paul's Reply To Dispensational Error
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/9170/ALEX1.HTM
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More: http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/topic/dispensationalism.html
Who on Earth wants to be known as the last foe of freedom?
The Democrat Party?
That said, if you want hard evidence of the Left opposing democracy and supporting dictatorships, just pick up any copy of the New York Times from the past four years.
In context, it is obvious Paul is saying that Abraham was saved (counted as righteous) by faith, and that those who likewise believe by faith are, like Abraham, counted as righteous, therefore are children of Abraham by faith.
Your doctrine is dangerous and not scriptural. It is called Replacement Theology and is believed, anong others, by those who belong to the Christian Identity movement, including many people of violence and bigotry, even some neo-Nazis.
Do you belong to one of those groups?
Re: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1357369/posts?page=43#43 "Your doctrine is dangerous and not scriptural. It is called Replacement Theology and is believed, anong others, by those who belong to the Christian Identity movement, including many people of violence and bigotry, even some neo-Nazis. Do you belong to one of those groups?" ~ savedbygrace
You should have quit when you were merely being perceived as being innocently misinformed.
Not understanding that the doctrine I embrace is known as "grafted in" --- since there is only ONE olive tree --- you inexplicably decide to instead accuse me of holding some weird doctrine called "Replacement Theology"???
All you managed to "prove" by making such an accusation, is that you didn't bother to read the link I provided.
Would an intellectually honest person who is interested in "what's right" rather than in "being right" engage in that sort of behavior?
Here's your "second chance" to prove you're only interested in "what's right":
Paul (the apostle to the Gentiles) said what he said in the book of Galations because he was dealing with this problem in the NT church:
"One of the antichrists who afflicted the early church was Cerinthus, the leader of a first-century Judaistic cult. He was regarded by the Church Fathers as "the Arch-heretic," and identified as one of the "false apostles" who opposed Paul.
Cerinthus was a Jew who joined the Church and began drawing Christians away from the orthodox faith. He taught that a lesser deity, and not the true God, had created the world (holding, with the Gnostics, that God was much too "spiritual" to be concerned with material reality). Logically, this meant also a denial of the Incarnation, since God would not take to Himself a physical body and truly human personality.
And Cerinthus was consistent: he declared that Jesus had merely been an ordinary man, not born of a virgin; that "the Christ" (a heavenly spirit) had descended upon the man Jesus at His baptism (enabling Him to perform miracles), but then left Him again at the crucifixion. Cerinthus also advocated a doctrine of justification by works in particular, the absolute necessity of observing the ceremonial ordinances of the Old Covenant in order to be saved.
Furthermore, Cerinthus was apparently the first to teach that the Second Coming would usher in a literal reign of Christ in Jerusalem for a thousand years. Although this was contrary to the apostolic teaching of the Kingdom, Cerinthus claimed that an angel had revealed this doctrine to him." (Chapter 12,Paradise Restored)
Origen (who DIED aprox 275) himself said that Chiliasm (Millenarianism belief) was "confined to those of the simpler sort":
"This [Chiliasm/Millenarianism] obscure doctrine was probably known to but very few except the fathers of the church, and is very sparingly mentioned by them during the first centuries; and there is reason to believe that it scarcely attained much notoriety, even among the learned Christians, until it was made a matter of controversy by Origen, and then rejected by the greater majority. In fact, we find Origen himself saying that it was confined to those of the simpler sort." (Waddington's History, pg. 56)
Epiphanes (315-403): "There is indeed a millennium mentioned by St.John; but the most, and those pious men, look upon those words as true indeed, but to be taken in a spiritual sense." (Heresies, 77:26.)
Eusebius (A.D.325): "This same historian (Papias) also gives other accounts, which he says he adds as received by him from unwritten tradition, likewise certain strange parables of our Lord, and of His doctrine and some other matters rather too fabulous.
In these he says there would be a certain millennium after the resurrection, and that there would be a corporeal reign of Christ on this very earth; which things he appears to have imagined, as if they were authorized by the apostolic narrations, not understanding correctly those matters which they propounded mystically in their representations. For he was very limited in his comprehension, as is evident from his discourses; yet he was the cause why most of the ecclesiastical writers, urging the antiquity of man, were carried away by a similar opinion; as, for instance, Irenaeus, or any other that adopted such sentiments." (Book III, Ch. 39)
"At the Council of Ephesus in 431, belief in the millennium was condemned as superstitious." (Clouse, The Meaning of the Millennium, p. 9.)
Christ speaks of a 'final day'.
He speaks of a singular general judgment and resurrection.
He speaks of a single 2nd coming.
Acts tells us that the heavens must receive him until the restitution of ALL things.
That's the New Heavens and the New Earth!
2 Peter 3 destroys any and all forms of premillennialism - especially when read along side of 1 Corinthians 3.
There is neither Jew nor Greek..." [Gal.3:28, Col 3:11]
Those who are interested in "what's right" rather than just in "being right" will make an effort to educate themselves on what Scripture teaches about being "grafted in to the [one] olive tree".
Those who aren't, won't.
You didn't merely say that Gentiles are grafted in. You said that God will have nothing more to do with current-day nation of Israel. That is false doctrine, and flies in the face of the scriptural plan God has for the tribe of Israel, the seed of Israel.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you, because you not only misrepresent scripture, but you also misrepresent what you've written in previous posts.
You are a deceiver. Buh bye.
So I shouldn't worry about my student loans?
savedbygrace:"I'm not going to go back and forth with you..."
You apparently didn't understand something else -- since I don't ride in the boats of one-armed boat rowers for more than two circles -- the third time is the charm -- it should have been evident to you that I was already outta your boat after I wrote the above. Toodle-loo. Hahaha
Also, in a later post (#31) I made it clear, I hope, that I'm not prophesying.
It's the "Bush's Administration" part that trips you up. They support democracy in the Middle East. The devil's in the details of how you get there. That's where the difference is. Their way wouldn't have worked.
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