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Democrats and the MSM still have enough power to brainwash people.

Bush and the Republicans need to go to the people directly and explain things. People succumb to the Dems scare tactics and don't understand that the choice is NOT for a continuing fully funded Social Security, but whether we fix it now, or wait until it falls off the cliff.

1 posted on 03/08/2005 8:39:30 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Focus groups can be lead and manipulated but this report suggests these results came from Republican organized focus groups. Moderate wing Republicans maybe?


2 posted on 03/08/2005 8:42:45 PM PST by Arkie2
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basic question to ask those polled...

"why do Congress and Federal and State employees accept such a "bad" system for themselves?"

If I had left the lousy $6,000 I pulled out from a state job in 1974, I would have .....well, a lot more money than that....


3 posted on 03/08/2005 8:45:16 PM PST by bitt ("Conservatism is the dominant political creed in America,")
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The proposal fails on the merits. Thus Bush cannot really make the case, and will not make the case.


4 posted on 03/08/2005 8:45:16 PM PST by Torie
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No, Reps in Congress need to do something even more radical.

Stop the polls and fix it.

Just a few months ago Polls had Bush losing the election. A few months ago Americans were against the war. Pols that follow Polls are asking to be voted out as far as I'm concerned.

Do what is right and the public will more often than not reward you. Time for the Reps in Congress to try Leading.


6 posted on 03/08/2005 8:46:14 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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Were they exit polling dead people?


11 posted on 03/08/2005 8:51:22 PM PST by PGalt
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Democrats and the MSM still have enough power to brainwash people.

I heard what the Dims had to say and it made perfect sense. Personal accounts are a bad idea!

I just fired off a letter to Fidelity Investments requesting that the blend my money in with everyone else's money. I told them that I want them to take 12% of every dollar I make for the rest of my life, then they can decide to give me back any amount they please whenever they feel like it!

</sarcasm*>

14 posted on 03/08/2005 8:52:10 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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Private accounts are a case of good policy, but bad politics. If Bush wasn't open to private accounts in the 2000 and 2004 elections, he may have won PA, thereby shutting out any thoughts of the RATS taking control of the White House.


15 posted on 03/08/2005 8:52:22 PM PST by Kuksool (Principles Mean Nothing Without Political Power)
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I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. Conservatives have completely dropped the ball on this and allowed the Left to literally run over us on this issue. The Left has been making numerous phone calls to literally every district in this country attacking Bush and Congressmen for supporting SS reform without any response from conservative organizations. I have gotten about 4 phone calls alone attacking Congressmen Ron Lewis (R-KY), one of the safest members of the GOP caucus (normally winning with about 70% of the vote) over this and no response from any conservative organizations. Imagine the effect in marginal districts.

The conservative organizations better start educating the public about this issue or efforts at reform will be toast.


16 posted on 03/08/2005 8:53:40 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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Its the old folks, the ones who will not be affected one iota who are the biggest detractors of this reform. I talk to them everyday at work. I often wonder how a generation of people who went through the great depression refusing to take handouts have now become so reliant on entitlements or should I say the mindset of entitlements.
17 posted on 03/08/2005 8:54:16 PM PST by Archon of the East (The Constitution is a terrible thing to waste)
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Gee, more excuses for politicians to do nothing but steal our money and collect paychecks.

How convenient.

18 posted on 03/08/2005 8:56:00 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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Bush needs to tell the Greedy Geezers (that's me) that if nothing is done their benefits will be cut or they can support him in his plan and keep their benefits coming...


20 posted on 03/08/2005 8:56:34 PM PST by tubebender
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I hope I don't offend anybody with this comment, but it's always been my experience that some people become increasingly fearful as they get elderly, and develop irrational fears.

Time and time again, the Dems utilize this tendency to create a culture of fear among the elderly whenever reform is proposed. I am just waiting for the photo op rally in which some poor 80 year old grandmother is convinced to block a door, stand in front of a moving vehicle, or some other stunt to beg some cold-hearted conservative politician to spare her from having to eat cat food.


26 posted on 03/08/2005 9:03:10 PM PST by nj26
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The problem with SS reform is that in the short term it will cost big bucks. As long as we insist that we are going to continue to pay out benefits at their current rate for anyone 55 or older, we will have to continue to pay money in at our current rate, PLUS whatever money is needed to fund the new accounts and we'll have to do so for quite awhile.

Not that I'm against SS reform. It's just that since SS is Ponzi scheme, someone will end up getting screwed no matter what.

27 posted on 03/08/2005 9:06:43 PM PST by elmer fudd
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Yea, that's how I voted. I like the idea of the government managing my retirement. That way I can make sure I will get it. Otherwise I might just spend it and I am not very smart at the stock market. And I have not really seen any plan yet but that is ok 'cause I know whatever plan it is I will not like it.


28 posted on 03/08/2005 9:06:52 PM PST by BJungNan (Junk mail is killing email. Don't buy from spam emails!!!)
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I work for a national polling company. I can tell you that the interviews I do concerning social security indicate to me there is some serious work to do on getting people to think in terms of taxes as their money. I rarely get a respondent that thinks they should be able to take their a portion of their money (payroll taxes) and put it a private account. The questions are scrupulously politically neutral.
29 posted on 03/08/2005 9:07:23 PM PST by hatfieldmccoy (Satan has a new name and it is Islam)
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Weaning a baby is difficult... the security and sustinance of the nipple is hard to give up but you have to ignore the crying and spoon feed your child. That's the challenge. My question is what is the plan for weaning America off of Social Security. Children will eat when mom denies them the nipple and offers a spoon. Is the government going to be the mother here? Will Americans be forced to invest or will they have the option of buying beer with that extra money? Given the option, most will by beer, cable, new TV, etc., and then end up being a "burden to society" when they're too old to work. So, where can I read about this plan?


33 posted on 03/08/2005 9:13:49 PM PST by Sun Soldier
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I can't believe the GOP has done such a poor job of explaining this. Private retirement plans - 401ks etc. are extremely popular - those polled either don't understand or only the loony left were polled.


35 posted on 03/08/2005 9:17:02 PM PST by Let's Roll ("Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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Socialist Security is economic abortion, especially of elderly Americans.


37 posted on 03/08/2005 9:19:59 PM PST by PGalt
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Well, frankly, I don't think any solution will be sufficient because of the demographics...it really doesn't matter how much money or how little money people have to retire on if there isn't enough people to do the WORK required to support society. Does it matter if you have a million dollars to spend if there is nothing to spend it on??? (Think post WWI Germany and its devastating inflation.) My wife works at a nursing home and they already have shortages of CNA's and LPN's even though they offer good wages; multiply the residents of nursing homes by a factor of two or three and simultaneously divide the pool of workers by a factor of two and imagine the results.


38 posted on 03/08/2005 9:21:47 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (...And on the 666th day, satan created the demonrat party.)
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I understand this perfectly - politics wins out over the good of the country.

I'm very pleased with what Bush is doing his 2nd term. However, he shouldn't be surprised with the results. He pushed through the Rx drug benefit for political gain only - why should he expect anything different from congress?
39 posted on 03/08/2005 9:27:14 PM PST by al_again
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