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California PTA Warning Letter RE:Arnold's Initiatives..
NMUSD Blanket Email | 3-9-05 | Patty Christiansen

Posted on 03/09/2005 12:36:22 PM PST by Slicksadick

Dear PTA Members:

Yesterday at our Harbor Council PTA meeting, we discussed signing initiatives without studying the issues. We were asked that to warn PTA members not to sign the initiatives without studying the issues carefully. Those that ask you to sign do not know the issues; this is a strategic plan to overwhelm the voters so that the Governor can then "tell" the voters which initiatives to study and vote on.

Here is some interesting information give to me by Katrina Foley, Leg. rep at Sonora Elementary.

Today is Tuesday, March 8th. The deadline for filing signatures for the special election is May 1st. Gov. Schwarzenegger pays each person $5 who receives a signature in support of the special election and his proposed initiatives. We have 8 weeks to interrupt the signature gatherers and save California from paying $70 million for a special election.

We have to ask why the Governor won't give back the $2 billion he borrowed from last year's education budget, and why he won't fully fund education............he doesn't seem to bat an eye at putting out an unnecessary $70 million for a special election.

Please educate your PTA members about the initiative process. While it is a good process, it can be used for a harmful purpose, also.

Patty Christiansen, VP--Advocacy


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arnold; pta; schwarzenegger
I just recieved this from my childrens High School PTA President. I don't believe that Arnold is allowed to spend state funds to gather signatures. Is this the case?
1 posted on 03/09/2005 12:36:28 PM PST by Slicksadick
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To: Slicksadick

BTTT


2 posted on 03/09/2005 12:43:30 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: Slicksadick

Signature gatherers are not paid with public money - and I don't believe the PTA has made that claim in this letter. However, they are wrong in one respect: the going rate is around $1 signature.


3 posted on 03/09/2005 12:45:01 PM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: So Cal Rocket
Schwarzenegger pays each person $5 who receives a signature

I read this as the PTA believes he's spending state monies. You could be right though.

4 posted on 03/09/2005 12:54:32 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: Slicksadick; GVgirl

"I don't believe that Arnold is allowed to spend state funds to gather signatures. Is this the case?"


This is not true.

GVGirl, since you are involved in gathering signatures, could you please provide more info and reassurance here?


5 posted on 03/09/2005 1:10:54 PM PST by QQQQQ
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To: Slicksadick

Here is an organization which is gathering signatures for Arnold's initiatives, but they are NOT funded with state funds.

http://www.citizenstosaveca.org/


6 posted on 03/09/2005 1:14:58 PM PST by QQQQQ
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To: QQQQQ

Thank you. It seems the local teachers union is telling tales again.


8 posted on 03/09/2005 1:26:26 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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$5 a signature!!!?? Where do I sign up to collect them!!??


9 posted on 03/09/2005 1:29:12 PM PST by Wiseghy ("Call me Snake...")
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$5 a signature!!!?? Where do I sign up to collect them!!??


10 posted on 03/09/2005 1:29:13 PM PST by Wiseghy ("Call me Snake...")
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To: Jerry K.
Thanks for your explanation Jerry. This district, NMUSD, is in extremely conservative Newport Beach. I'm hoping most of my fellow parents can see through this BS.
11 posted on 03/09/2005 1:29:19 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: Slicksadick

The PTA has become a "handmaiden" of the CTA. When my kids were in school, the PTA actually represented parents.


12 posted on 03/09/2005 2:21:29 PM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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"Here is some interesting information give to me by Katrina Foley, Leg. rep at Sonora Elementary."

Aside from poor grammar, does anyone else take umbrage at an elementary school having a leg. (legislative?) rep?


13 posted on 03/09/2005 2:46:51 PM PST by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: Slicksadick
We have 8 weeks to interrupt the signature gatherers and save California from paying $70 million for a special election.

Someone better tell Patty that it's against the law, under California Elections Code Division 18, Chapter 7, Articles 3, 4, and others; to "interrupt" or otherwise interfere with signature gathering for a lawfully-filed initiative petition. If nobody tells her, she might wind up in jail.

But, on second thought...

14 posted on 03/09/2005 3:11:50 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

LOL very good!!!!


15 posted on 03/09/2005 3:14:01 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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"We have to ask why the Governor won't give back the $2 billion he borrowed from last year's education budget, and why he won't fully fund education...."

This statement is pure BS. Education is actually overfunded in California and the cost of education is a major reason why this state is headed for painful across-the-board budget cuts. California spends $9,500 per year on each K-12 student. (Number from Tom McClintock's website.) The full cost of classroom teachers for each student is only about $3,000 per year. So there's $6,500 per student in overhead expenses for facilities, equipment, and massive administrative costs. The buildings and equipment used in schools are not very expensive on a per student basis, so most of the $6,500 in overhead is going for excessive administrative overhead, especially at the district headquarters and in Sacramento. If I were you, I would talk to this teacher and give her these numbers. Then ask why there are such massive overhead expenses in the California public schools. This is a big reason why California is rapidly going bankrupt.

16 posted on 03/09/2005 6:31:39 PM PST by carl in alaska (The mission for today is golf. The mission code word is "Julius Boros".....)
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To: Slicksadick
"We have 8 weeks to interrupt the signature gatherers and save California from paying $70 million for a special election."

Interrupting a signature gatherer is a felony.

The techniques that are in use to try to block the gathering of signatures.

1. Sign using a fake name and address.

2. Sign the petition many times in one area.

3. Act like a paid signature gatherer and get the signatures but never turn them in.

17 posted on 03/10/2005 7:37:51 AM PST by Jimbaugh (They will not get away with this. Developing . . . . .)
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