If a Muslim does not follow the commands of Islam found in plain words in the Koran, is he a Muslim or an infidel? 
Posted on 03/13/2005 1:09:06 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
The way to religious tolerance is through a billboard - or at least that's the idea behind a display for tens of thousands of commuters in North Dallas each day.
It's not a question a lot of people ask themselves on the way to work. But there it is, hanging above westbound LBJ Freeway near Webb Chapel: "Why Islam?"
The sign also offers a Web site address and a toll-free phone number in New Jersey.
"When the call comes in, it transfers to the team of volunteers," said Adnan Fyed of the Islamic Circle of North America. "And those volunteers they will call you back and they pick up the phone at the same time."
"Why Islam?" is a program run by the Islamic Circle of North America to educate anyone who wants to know about the religion. The website offers information on Allah, pilgramages and even audio lectures.
Visitors can also watch a slide show on Ramadan, and are invited to visit a mosque. There's even a chatroom.
"If you go and become a member of the forum, you can go and ask whatever questions you have," Fyed said.
The chat room addresses such topics as suicide bombings, and hating Christians.
With so many hostile ideas out there, the effort aims to help provide the truth about the religion.
The packed parking lot for Friday services at the Islamic Center of Irving shows how much the faith is growing in North Texas. Now with the hotline and the website, members of the community hope to get out the word concerning what Islam is all about.
Well, for instance, God is not interested in world domination........
Most appros pos : )
"How can we believe what they say when they operate under such concepts as"
Our military is in two Muslim countries. You think that the news about all the changes taking place there is a lie? Woman aren't voting, going to school, driving cars, seeing male doctors.....all those things formerly forbidden by the religious leaders?
Don't Mess With Dallas, Texas, lol.
We'll handle those islamic fundamentalistas.
Seems like a question they should be hearing a lot!
If a Muslim does not follow the commands of Islam found in plain words in the Koran, is he a Muslim or an infidel?
To prove your point, how many Muslim leaders came out and condemned the 9/11 terrorists the next day??
"#129 - are you buying it?"
As much as I buy anything, information to the contrary.
Smartaleck,
i dont want to be nasty but you appear (note:appear) to be TROLLING here. I understnad that you dont agree and to be honest thats fine with me, but i dont belive in one liners to issues like this as a rule as they normally just hide someone true beliefs. We can revert to our one liners here and hesaid/she said schoolyard debate, so could i ask you to state what you want from this topic? Please state your belifs and then we can discuss without one liner responses from everyone.
You seem to think that the issues of christanity and islam are the same and what several people here have stated is that they are fundamentally different. Now if you want to talk about the issues of christanity, i live in a coutnry that suffers it intolerances but this pales into insignificance of the genuine held beliefs that islam has a very sinister side and one once people are exposed to it can be very disturbing. Like most people of faith based in western world, we are generally (and i use generally) open to any religion. are we perfect, we certainly are not, are we all living according to the New testiment, we certainly are not...but we as a general rule are striving to. that 'striving to' has led to the growth and maturation of western civilisation. one that allows you to say what you believe, and one that equally tolerates my view. I honestly, do not know of one, one, islamic faith based country that tolerates christanity as a growing and flourishing religion and encourages it.
Regarding the nazis, i think if you care to do some analysis of the holocaust you will find the nazis were extremely anti religion (except when it helped against the russians). Most of the SS divisions, namely the Totenkopf (they were the real camp guards) had at their inception, a requirement that all of their members renounce their religions and adopt the nazi faith. This was a requirement by their then leader, Theodor Eicke. He personally sat with the last religious holdout before the invasion of France and got them to sign away their fear of God and therefore enabled some of the most appaling cases of inhumanity. At the beginning of the nazi regieme, religion was blamed for weakening the germanic race, not empowering it. Now the reason i raise this, is that the nazis are used as an example of chritanity whereas in fact it is a very poor example on review. In fact, if you want to get mroe specific, the leader of the SS, Himmler, remarked that the SS divisions from southern Europe, namely, the 13th SS Biosnian Muslim Division, was delighted that the religion promoted death in battle, something very close to the nazi idology. So in a case like the second world war, everyone has their failings, christanity, athiest, muslim etc.
I am unsure what it is you want clarified. perhaps you could be specific. Also i dont believe using google is what people meant here. you and i and evertyone else here is well aware of what you can find on google.
http://www.google.ie/search?hl=ga&safe=off&q=christian++crusades+regret&btnG=Cuardaigh&meta=
thats about the 14 century crusades but yet we are called 'crusaders and jews' but muslims the world over
so we can debate the search engine wonders of google all day, but i dont believe that will get us anywhere...so how about giving more then you name implies :) What is YOU BELIEVE?
I think any Muslim individual or organization in a non-Muslim country that condemns the spread of Islam by force can simply be practicing al-Taqiyya. How can we tell the difference?
All the behaviors you cite had to be militarily enforced, and they are all in opposition to the Islamic holy book. The effort is ongoing to deprogram cult victims. But, you said it: two Muslim countries. It is not necessary to practice al-Taqiyya, only in foreign countries where the Islamic numbers make the cult movement vulnerable.
In my opinion, you have a seriously soft head, friend.
"If a Muslim does not follow the commands of Islam found in plain words in the Koran, is he a Muslim or an infidel?"
Every bit as much as someone who doesn't follow the "Word of God" is a non-believer.
Whole lot of Christians aren't going to make it to heaven based on thou shalt not lie and what they put on their income taxes. :-)
Of course Christians can't even agree on who's going to heaven depending on when they're Baptized.
"So all the Muslim woman who supposedly have "gained certain freedoms" in Afghanistan and Iraq, contrary to some of the perceived Muslim doctrines, is all a big lie? It didn't happen? Wow you need to get the NY Times right on that farce."
That statement is not relevent to the discussion on this thread; and you know it.
I appreciate your need to see yourself as an objective observer; but you're shooting rim shots.
Perspective usually helps folks like you.
You responded, "Every bit as much as someone who doesn't follow the "Word of God" is a non-believer."
A Christian who doesn't not follow the law of God and the teaching of Christ is not a Christian.
You avoided the question. Is a Muslim that doesn't follow, or tries to "interpret" away, the commands of his holy book a Muslim or an infidel?
Easy answer:
(A) Muslim
(B) Infidel
Chose one. Islam admits of no middle ground, again by the word of its holy writings.
ROFLMAO Uh, no. You asked who was responsible for the holocaust. ROFLMAO I told you. ROFLMAO.
"I understnad that you dont agree and to be honest thats fine with me,"
The only thing I don't agree with is the broadbrush genealization that all people fit the same mold. Statistically it's impossible.
If you look at my posts I ask questions. Call it trolling if you like, but I like to know what the truth is.
Speaking of Nazi's, how did they use rhetoric in tone and tenor to broadbrush all Jews as bad people? What was the result?
(BTW....might want to look into the differences between ideology and religion.)
"You seem to think that the issues of christanity and islam are the same"
Nope you are wrong there. I believe there are similarities in religions, that's why they meet the definition of a religion. I believe some use their faith in religion to further the "good" in the world and others abuse it.
Note: even the issues among Christians aren't entirely the same. Were they, there wouldn't be so many different denominations would there?
I don't know and I would rather that they would just keep to themselves but I don't see that happening.
"You avoided the question. Is a Muslim that doesn't follow, or tries to "interpret" away, the commands of his holy book a Muslim or an infidel?"
And Granny Bush leans pro-choice so she's not a Christian because she believes in murder. Gotcha.
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