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Scalia Slams Juvenile Death Penalty Ruling
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Posted on 03/15/2005 6:46:01 AM PST by Logos124

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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
No person shall... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...

So what they need is a ruling to determine how developed a fetus needs to be to have unalienable rights. They can do that with a constitutional amendment.
21 posted on 03/15/2005 7:01:38 AM PST by boofus
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To: boofus
Scalia gives the rule I could live by: "If you think aficionados of a living Constitution want to bring you flexibility, think again," Scalia told an audience at the Woodrow Wilson Center, a Washington think tank. "You think the death penalty is a good idea? Persuade your fellow citizens to adopt it. You want a right to abortion? Persuade your fellow citizens and enact it. That's flexibility."

The fact that people differ on whether or not an unborn child is a person is at issue. (Of course some thought slaves not fully human, but still...and the court was on the WRONG side of that one. In the end, without the consent of the governed you will always reap tension and strife.) I can live with the persuasion rule. That's what our whole system of government was supposed to be based on. That way everything gets thoroughly debated and debated and debated. We vote. Debate. Vote. Debate. Etc. We can change our minds back and forth, tweak it this way and that, and in the end we have a pretty decent standard that most of the people respect. When the judges legislate it is final, and there is nothing left for the losers but anger and passion. The plantiff side has an advantage because they can keep suing. Once something is overturned -- the right to decide taken away from the people -- then it is pretty final.

22 posted on 03/15/2005 7:03:02 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real politcal victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Frank_Discussion
Isn't murder a federal crime?

Not in general. Only if the victim has some official connection to the federal government (murder of a federal agent, judge, the President, etc) or if the crime occurs within federal jurisdiction, such a military installation, federal courthouse, national park, etc, etc. Or, IIRC, if the murder occurs in conjunction with another federal crime, such as robbing a bank or a mail carrier.

23 posted on 03/15/2005 7:05:01 AM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: Logos124
Scalia claims outlawing abortion "unconstitutional"

Please don't change headlines.

24 posted on 03/15/2005 7:05:20 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Logos124; Admin Moderator
Scalia Slams Juvenile Death Penalty Ruling

Please change the headline to the original one above. No wonder the phoney headline did not match the story. Freeper changed it for their own agenda it looks like.

25 posted on 03/15/2005 7:05:27 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Still, I would settle for making it a state issue.

That would be my preference. But I am always against new laws prohibiting or regulating things unless absolutely necessary, and would oppose a law against abortion because it is unneeded. All a government has to do is define a fetus as a person protected under the law, and we already have laws to handle murder, plus a couple other definitions and we're set.

For this same reason I oppose laws against cell phones in cars. We already have punishments for inattentive driving.

26 posted on 03/15/2005 7:05:56 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: the invisib1e hand

And that would be how many, five, ten, judges throughout this land?


27 posted on 03/15/2005 7:07:56 AM PST by PaRebel (Visualize Whirled Peas!)
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To: boofus

Supposedly the "right to privacy," which in convoluted reasoning is found in the Fourth Amendment. Blackman twisted, turned and bent that "right" until it resembled a "Krazy Straw" when he was done. That opinion in so full of descriptions of medical procedures, etc., etc., that I guess even his clerks were loathe at the time to remind the Justice that the regulation of professions such as medicine and law were the province of the individual states.

At least that is my understanding from my old Con Law professor, because I'll be honest - even after reading Roe, I was at a loss to explain where he found a U.S. Constitutional question that warranted the granting of cert in the matter.


28 posted on 03/15/2005 7:12:43 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Armed, Female and Southern!)
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To: Logos124

concise

you do understand

I watched his talk on CSPAN last night.


30 posted on 03/15/2005 7:13:28 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: Little Ray

Scalia's right as usual. While I abhor abortion, it IS a state issue...re-read the Constitution if necessary.

Murder (aside from abortion) is a state crime. Why should abortion be any different?


31 posted on 03/15/2005 7:13:42 AM PST by RockinRight (Electing Hillary president would be akin to giving a drunken teenage boy keys to the Porsche)
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To: Frank_Discussion
Like Ditto said, it's only a federal infraction when speaking about federal officers and employees in certain circumstances. Otherwise, it's a state issue, as evidenced by the varying laws on capital punishment.
32 posted on 03/15/2005 7:16:33 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Tree of Liberty

Yep. That's what that bastard McVeigh was tried for, the murder of the federal employees at the Alfred Murrah building, not the "civilians." Their survivors didn't have their day in court until that OTHER bastard, Terry Nichols went on trial.


33 posted on 03/15/2005 7:20:09 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Armed, Female and Southern!)
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To: KC Burke

Justice Scalia is even more impressive when you get to hear him speek. I was able to listen to the oral arguments of the Texas sodomy case, I forget the actual case name, the lawyer for Texas was not up to the task of arguing before the SJC. Justice Scalia ended up basically making his arguments for him. It was very interesting and made me realize how intelligent all the justices are. The problem is that sometimes the Justices rely to heavily on their owm opinions, and not on the constitution.


34 posted on 03/15/2005 7:22:48 AM PST by Eire171
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To: PaRebel
And that would be how many, five, ten, judges throughout this land?

I dunno, but there are a whole boatload of citizens who get it.

35 posted on 03/15/2005 7:24:16 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: Melas; All

When I hit "post", I knew I had asked a dumb question.


36 posted on 03/15/2005 7:25:50 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: tollytee
As it stands today, the right will never conceed life does not start at the moment the ovum divides.

actually, in biological terms, the new member of the species if formed at the moment of fertilization. From that point on, it's just a question of the human being's stage of development.

The abortion argument is simply a group of people saying that human beings do not deserve life until they are at a certain point in their growth. It's a very, very dangerous position to take because the point is completely aribtrary.

38 posted on 03/15/2005 8:26:38 AM PST by frgoff
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To: Logos124

Amendment V: "No person shall... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."

Didn't all the inmates have due process?


39 posted on 03/15/2005 9:08:55 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: RockinRight

I do not believe that states can legalize abortion. The constitutional guarantees of the 14th amendment apply to all persons. I think persons include persons who have not emerged from their mother yet. At the very least, the court needs to define person, and only if it does not include unborn people, then may states legalize abortion.


40 posted on 03/15/2005 10:44:40 AM PST by Defiant (This tagline has targeted 10 journalists intentionally, that I personally know of.)
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