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John Adams: He Also Hated the French
Tech Central Station ^ | March 15, 2005 | Amity Shlaes

Posted on 03/15/2005 10:12:50 AM PST by quidnunc

Is the US still at war? Fighting as vague a conflict as the war on terror is hard, polarizing citizens and rendering difficult Washington's decisions about civil liberties at home. Washington is also preoccupied with sustaining its alliance with London. The US is aware that Britain may eventually opt for the Eurosphere over the Anglosphere. But these tensions are not new, as James Grant points out in a new biography of John Adams, America's second president. Compare the Adams presidency to the current one and several truths emerge.

The first is that quasi-wars split electorates more sharply than traditional wars. Napoleon Bonaparte was not about to sail into Boston harbor. Still, in the late 1790s, France's Directoire — the latest in a series of increasingly extreme regimes — was granting privateers license to attack foreign ships. In 1797 French corsairs intercepted more than 300 American merchant vessels. At what point, the young US debated, do such acts of violence become war? Like President George W. Bush, who created the Department of Homeland Security, President Adams created a government department to handle the new brand of conflict: a Department of the Navy.

The uncertain status of the Franco-American relationship polarized America's two big parties. Thomas Jefferson and his Republicans refused to vilify the French, whom they knew, after all, as fellow revolutionaries. Adams and his Federalists viewed the pro-French Republicans as reckless — much in the same way that Realpolitiker view the Bush administration's nation-building as reckless. Sounding for all the world like Henry Kissinger, Adams wrote of the Jeffersonians that by "their King-killing toasts" as well as "their everlasting brutal cry of tyranny, despots and combinations against liberty" the Jeffersonians might "involve us in a war with all the world". …

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; founders; france; geopolitics; history; johnadams; nonallyfrance; presidents
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1 posted on 03/15/2005 10:12:50 AM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

There's a whole book on this subject:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385512198/qid=1110910688/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-3000245-3669434


2 posted on 03/15/2005 10:18:39 AM PST by PeterFinn ("Tolerance" means WE have to tolerate THEM. They can hate us all they want.)
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To: quidnunc

John Adams was not unique. More recently, noted blue-collar philosopher Al Bundy expressed antipathy towards the French.


3 posted on 03/15/2005 10:20:11 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine
More recently, noted blue-collar philosopher Al Bundy expressed antipathy towards the French.

LOL!

4 posted on 03/15/2005 10:23:31 AM PST by ServesURight
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To: quidnunc
I'm finishing John Adams by David McCullough and yes he did dislike the French, and Jefferson hated the British and loved the French. It got quite nasty between the 2.
5 posted on 03/15/2005 10:26:51 AM PST by eyespysomething (Vous pouvez vous rendre au garde de securite!)
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To: ServesURight
I think I know why the French are rude and moraly corrupt. They realize they are French and it makes them angry and bitter inside.
6 posted on 03/15/2005 10:27:27 AM PST by MasterBetty
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Most sane, reasonable men of good character loath the worthless cheese sucking surender monkees.


7 posted on 03/15/2005 10:28:46 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: PeterFinn

http://www.twainquotes.com/French.html

Mark Twain thought lowly of the french as well.


8 posted on 03/15/2005 10:29:07 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: quidnunc
Thomas Jefferson and his Republicans refused to vilify the French

Didn't Thomas Jefferson found the Democrats or is the author talking about something other than political parties?

9 posted on 03/15/2005 10:29:53 AM PST by ProudGOP
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To: quidnunc

An excerpt can be found here:

http://www.oldestenemy.com/read.php


10 posted on 03/15/2005 10:33:37 AM PST by PeterFinn ("Tolerance" means WE have to tolerate THEM. They can hate us all they want.)
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To: quidnunc

Mark to read later.


11 posted on 03/15/2005 10:39:05 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: eyespysomething

"The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Dutch, and I dno't like anybody very much" - Lehrer

Nothing like finding one of my old favorite songs from long ago and far away is soooooo very much on point.

Whodda guessed it - even the Adams family dislikes the French. ;-)


12 posted on 03/15/2005 10:40:35 AM PST by GladesGuru
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Great link - thank you!


13 posted on 03/15/2005 10:43:08 AM PST by PeterFinn ("Tolerance" means WE have to tolerate THEM. They can hate us all they want.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I forgot the main course - do dead Twain's The French & The Comanchees in his book Letters From The Earth.

He compares the French and the Comanchee - priceless! Well, low priced at Amazon.com.


14 posted on 03/15/2005 10:46:41 AM PST by GladesGuru
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Wasn't his cousin, Ted Bundy French?


15 posted on 03/15/2005 10:47:57 AM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: GladesGuru

COMMUNIST
Communism is idiocy. They want to divide up the property. Suppose they did it -- it requires brains to keep money as well as make it. In a precious little while the money would be back in the former owner's hands and the communist would be poor again.
- Mark Twain, a Biography


16 posted on 03/15/2005 10:49:18 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: ProudGOP
Jefferson's party was called the Republicans or the Democratic-Republicans. After the demise of the Federalist Party, just about everyone was a Republican for a short time, but then new splits developed with Andrew Jackson's supporters becoming known as the Democrats and the opponents of "King Andrew I" becoming the Whigs (most of whom later became Republicans when the new Republican Party was founded in the 1850s).

The Democrats claim to trace their history to Thomas Jefferson; the pre-Civil War Democrats may have been more in the Jeffersonian tradition than the Whigs were, but some of Jefferson's ideas had become accepted by everyone.

17 posted on 03/15/2005 10:52:13 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: quidnunc

GEE now days if if you want to hate the french you'll have to get in a long line, it was so much simpler for John Adams and his contempories............................


18 posted on 03/15/2005 10:55:17 AM PST by lionheart 247365
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To: GladesGuru
http://www.blackmask.com/page.php?do=search&query=mark+twain

I will try to find it thanks.
Above URL is free ebooks by Mark Twain that are out of copyright.
There are 17563 books for you to choose from on this site.
19 posted on 03/15/2005 10:55:31 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (When you compromise with evil, evil wins. AYN RAND)
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To: eyespysomething

Good book. I really admire John Adams. He really helped shape the policies. Very forward thinker.


20 posted on 03/15/2005 10:55:38 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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