"Live" with TAE: John O'Neill (in-depth interview with a leader of Swift Boat Vets)

American Enterprise Online ^ | April 2005 issue

[mountainlyons]

I like it. I still want to know who changed Kerry's discharge to honorable.

[HardStarboard]

Proud of the swift boat Vets; proud of John O'Neill, and proud of having supported their successful effort to expose John Kerry.

Best political investment I ever made!

[colorado tanker]

The Swiftees put a round amidships, below the waterline into the Kerry campaign and in doing so hastened the restoration of Vietnam vets to a place of honor, defeating the mythology the left and John Kerry invented about the Vietnam war.

But they also bagged an intended target, the MSM, showing that in 2004 they were not journalists but the PR staff for the Kerry campaign. The handling of the Swiftees along with Rathergate exposed the MSM to the average viewer for what they really are.

[SE Mom]

Ping for Swifties..

[Young Werther]

It was Jimahe!

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"O'NEILL:...None of us will ever forget the day Kerry testi-fied before Congress. It was like the Kennedy assassination. And so we just couldn't live in the United States if we didn't make a statement about his testimony in 1971...."

"...TAE: You didn't receive criticism from the media alone. Even President Bush criticized your group. Were you disappointed by his reaction?

O'NEILL: I would have felt more comfortable if he would have simply recognized this was an issue between us and Kerry that was not really related to him. This is about criticism of our unit and fellow veterans. I didn't think his comment that 527 ads should cease was unreasonable, although I disagree with it...."

"...TAE: What general lessons do you think can be taken from the Swift Boat vets' experience?

O'NEILL: One thing is that you cannot simply leave the conduct of national elections to politicians and political parties. It's simply a process that's too important. And they each have their own reasons for not wanting to cope with difficult issues or facts. I believe that the cardinal design of the First Amendment was free political speech. I don't think there would be a better example of it than our group coming forward. It's obvious that the materials we dealt with, the record of Kerry in Vietnam, his false war crimes charges, were very, very important in the selection of a President.

I think a second thing, as naive as this sounds, is that it's possible for a small number of people to influence things. And I think it indicates that the truth itself has a certain power that may at times overpower money and control by the media and the like...."

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ATTN to the "Move On" FReepers

Do you really want to "Move On" because you are secretly trolls?

Just wondering why you want to "Move On" and give Hanoi Kerry a free pass.

The GOP controlled US Senate has already done that!

Fret not "Move On" folks.

Others will do the work.

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


Too bad the "Move On" FReepers just don't understand
the real threat that the likes of Hanoi Kerry pose to our country.

I just don't understand their reasoning in saying
"drop it", "your wasting your time", "give it up" etc.

Well I have news for them.

I've been posting threads
on the Viet Nam anti war "crowd"
almost from day one on FR.

Wicked Witch of the West: Hanoi Jane Exposed in New Book
Hanoijane.net ^ | HENRY MARK HOLZER and ERIKA HOLZER,PhilDragoo

Posted on 10/30/2001 10:05:08 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/560260/posts

So why do they think I'll stop now?

Get ready for more attacks on President Bush on April 3

"Her publisher, Random House, will not release the book to reporters or critics in advance,
and Ms. Fonda will not give interviews
before her appearance on "60 Minutes,"
scheduled for April 3."

Hanoi Jane's imminent autobiography

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1360385/posts

60 Minutes ALERT!

Anybody think Dan Rather will do the interview?

Rather, 73, is returning to full-time reporting for CBS’s “60 Minutes” broadcasts.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7137959/?GT1=6305

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

O'NEILL: Yes. I believe that he did that without fully understanding the circumstances. All of us say things we regret, and I hope he regrets that. I really hope he apologizes for it. I think that John McCain, candidly, confused senatorial courtesy with the suppression of free speech.

We were very grateful when his roommate at the Hanoi Hilton, Colonel Bud Day, came forward to strongly endorse our efforts. Colonel Day was the most decorated United States soldier since World War II and the winner of the Medal of Honor. It was good when he and many other POWs came forward to disagree with McCain.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

TAE: Will this lead to media reform?

O'NEILL: I think reform is occurring right now. You've seen a tremendous drop in the ratings for the networks. There's a tremendous drop going on in readership for newspapers like the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune. Why are people leaving and seeking their news elsewhere? Because they start by simply wanting to get a good, factual account of what occurred. Then they're happy to listen to opinion pieces, but they're not willing to accept people who simply suppress the underlying facts. That's why people have gone to the Internet and to other sources for their news.

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I don't know about anybody else, but I quit watching
Main Stream Right Wing Media
and listening to Main Stream Right Wing Radio
shortly after Nov 3.

I couldn't understand how the so called
Main Stream Right Wing Media
could say things like
"Senator Kerry was gracious in his concession speech..."
"Senator Kerry was so honorable..."
Etc

Now can anyone name 1 so called MAIN Stream Right Wing Media
personality

(we know Russert on tv and Imus on radio from the Left have)

that has asked,

in 2005,

these questions?

"Asked Kerry when he will sign Form 180.

(Even though President Bush signed his Form 180)

Or how could Kerry have a top secret clearance,
and access to US intelligence
WITHOUT revealing ALL his military records to the US Senate

Who in the US Senate has seen ALL of Kerry's military records?

Who, in the US Senate, gave him his top secret clearance?

Or why Kerry is still in the US Senate.
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

Or when Kerry will set the record straight
on his false testimony in April 71"

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Don't be a CINO (Conservative in Name Only)
Don't listen to CINO's in politics,
the Main Stream CINO media,
and even here on Free Republic.
EXPOSE the traitor for what he really is, The Enemy Within.

Don't listen to CINO's who want to "move on".
And tell you "get over it Kerry lost"
"Kerry is finished."
He's NOT finished!

And remember this.

All it will take is for Clinton to have more problems with her health
to guarantee that Kerry WILL run in '08.

Remember all who told you not to worry about klintoon, hitlery and reno
after the 2000 election?
Remember all who said Ashcroft would prosecute them.
Remember Chinagate, Pardongate, Waco, Vince Foster, the Jewish town in NY etc., etc., etc. ?
Well reno ran against Jeb Bush and hitlery wants to beat Hanoi Kerry in 08

Are YOU willing to listen to the CINO's again?

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or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress,
or as an officer of the United States,
or as a member of any state legislature,
or as an executive or judicial officer of any state,
to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Violation of 18 US CODE 2381

TREASON
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States,
levies war against them or adheres to their enemies,
giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere,
is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,
or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
under this title but not less than $10,000;
and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Violation of 18 US CODE 953

Private correspondence with foreign governments
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directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse
with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,
with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government
or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes
or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply,
himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents
thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained
from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Violation of UCMJ Section 904. ART. 104

AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or
communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

UCMJ 843. ART. 43. STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS
(a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,

or with any offense punishable by death,

may be tried at any time without limitation.

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Col. Geo. "Bud" Day Medal of Honor Vietnam POW 1967-1973 USMC - USA Attorney 1949-2004-

Dear Joe: The major issue in the Swiftboat stories is, and always has been,
what John Kerry did in 1971 after he returned from Vietnam.

Kerry cast a long dark shadow over all Vietnam Veterans with his outright perjury before the Senate concerning atrocities in Vietnam. His stories to the Senate committee were absolute lies.. fabrications.. perjury.. fantasies, with NO substance. That dark shadow has defamed the entire Vietnam War veteran population, and gave "Aid and Comfort" to our enemies..the Vietnamese Communists. Kerry's stories were outright fabrications, and were intended for political gain with the radical left..McGovern, Teddy and Bobby Kennedy followers, Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, and the radical left who fantasized that George McGovern was going to be elected in 1972. Little wonder that returning soldiers from Vietnam were spit upon and castigated as "baby killers".
A returned war hero said so.

Kerry cut a dashing figure as a war hero, lots of medals, and returned home because of multiple war wounds..even a silver star. His Senate testimony confirmed what every hippie had been chanting on the streets.."Hey hey LBJ..How many kids did you kill today"?????
He obviously was running for political office in 1971.

Until Lt. John O' Neil, himself a Swifboat commander, spoke out before the 1972 elections against Kerry's outright deceptions, there was no one from the Swiftboat scene that could contradict Kerry's self serving lies.

I was a POW of the Vietnamese in Hanoi in 1971, and I am aware that the testimony of John Kerry, the actions of Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden, and the radical left; all caused the commies to conclude that if they hung on..they would win. North Vietnamese General Bui Tin commented that every day the Communist leadership listened to world news over the radio to follow the growth of the anti-war movement. Visits to Hanoi by Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark gave them confidence to hold in the face of battlefield reverses.
The guts of it was that propaganda from the anti-war group was part of their combat strategy.

While the Commies were hanging on, innumerable U.S. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Air Foce members were being killed in combat.

Every battle wound to Americans after Kerry's misdirected testimony is related to Kerry's untruthfulness.

John Kerry contributed to every one of these deaths with his lies about U.S. atrocities in Vietnam.



He likewise defamed the U.S. with our allies and supporters.

His conduct also extended the imprisonment of the Vietnam Prisoners of War, of which I was one.

I am certain of at least one POW death after his testimony,
which might have been prevented with an earlier release of the POWs.

I draw a direct comparison of General Benedict Arnold of the Revolutionary War, to Lieutenant John Kerry. Both went off to war, fought, and then turned against their country. General Arnold crossed over to the British for money and position. John Kerry crossed over to the Vietnamese with his assistance to the anti-war movement, and his direct liason with the Vietnamese diplomats in Paris.
His reward. Political gain. Senator..United States.

“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW

[sevry]

What's happened now is the mainline media, by which I mean the three major networks, and the New York Times, suppress news stories. It's one thing to provide opinion, even in the news section. It's another to suppress facts that are adverse to your views. That is really a brave new world that did not exist in the 1970s.

John O'Neill - he gets it. I was proud to in my small way, along with so many others, to publicize his group's original announcement, which of course got NO media coverage (save for Newsmax, WND, NRO ?), and to lay out their case against Kerry in the subsequent weeks and months. And FR was interested in this from the start, as well. I originally signed up with FR after tracing a few threads. And a lot of them came here. But the original announcement was big news on Drudge. That's how I learned about it. And I can't believe Hannity was on it before then.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

For those who say the GOP can't acknowledge Swift Boat Vets,
they are wrong.

Karl Rove also exposed the false testimony by Hanoi Kerry in 1971

Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)

"...Rove recalled that his uncle had done several tours of duty in Vietnam.
I've never been able to think of Colonel Verhi as somebody who would have
'raped and pillaged in a manner reminiscent of Genghis Khan,'"
a reference to Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony where he accused Vietnam veterans
of committing widespread atrocities."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345603/posts

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Viet Nam Vet Ollie North nailed Hanoi Kerry on his false 1971 testimony.

"Kerry testified under oath before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 that Americans in Vietnam had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war."

Set aside the horrific and defamatory nature of these accusations and ask this: Did he witness these atrocities? Did he try to stop them? If not, was he held accountable for dereliction of duty? If he knows the perpetrators, did he ever see that they were brought to justice? If not, why?"

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20040220.shtml

And FR's own Interesting Times nailed Hanoi Kerry for his lies in 1971

AFFIDAVIT OF STEVEN J. PITKIN combat veteran of the Vietnam War
(Kerry pressured him to give false Winter Soldier testimony)
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Amazing the "Move On" FReepers are so quiet?

I have a theory.

They are jealous that Swift Boat Vets actually
won the election for President Bush.

AND raised funds that the GOP thought was destined for them.

The GOP is going to be in big trouble in '06 and '08
UNLESS they actually realize why they won in '04

[Just Kimberly]

Dearest Cableguy, You have NO idea how timely this story is with the happenings in my life today. Nothing really to do with Kerry, but the Vietnam Vets, our military - you name it.

I have to share this story with you all. I am at work now, at the Driving Range my family runs. We have had a guy here for about a week doing some odds and ends - hired by another friend we deal with. He is an older man - so I thought - and a VERY hard worker. He always says 'yes ma'am', and has been so polite to everyone.

Today, he came in for a moment (he very rarely takes a break), and somehow we started talking about 'stuff'. I offered him a cup of coffee (even though it is sitting out and is free for the taking, he will not - unless invited), and the conversation turned to kids these days, how parents don't do their jobs, teens are unsupervised - and I began to tell him about my son Josh, who wants to be an Army Ranger. He smiled and said, "That's what I was."

We began to talk about Freepers, the economy, the war. Hearing the point of view from a Vietnam Veteran is perhaps the most moving thing you can experience.

He talked about his faith in God. He told me he did his first tour, came home - and watched the squad he commanded come off the airplane. First, the 'walking' ones, then the wounded, then the body bags. He did not have anyone meeting him at the airport. He said he caught a taxi, and went straight to the nearest recruiting office, and signed up for his second tour. He wanted to make sure the next plane ride had more 'walking', than the last.

By the time he was finished with his story, we were both in tears. I thanked him - from the bottom of my heart for what he had fought for, and what he had gone through.
As he walked outside he said, the only thing that makes him angry is that he was fighting for the protesters too - those who blamed them and called them names. With tears he said - "that was my job, I was fighting for their freedom too. They just do not understand."

I just wanted to share this story with you all. It is one thing to listen to these guys talk on T.V., or read articles - but when you are face to face and can feel their pain - it sickens me that ANYBODY who claims to be an American - could be as hateful to the military as they are.

But, as he said, they have rights, too, even though we don't like what they have to say. I just pray WE continue to strengthen, and can make a difference in this world. Just like my friend. JK

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[Interesting Times]

Thanks...

[JDoutrider]

BTTT

[cedarswingman]

Kimberly, you should have been at the Kerry Lied Rally in Washington,D.C. on Sept 12. You would have heard a lot of moving stories from heros that lived through that hell.